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		<title>By: Rididill</title>
		<link>http://maybemaimed.com/2007/12/20/the-sexism-of-sex-and-smarts/#comment-156416</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maymay, just discovered your blog and have been absorbed for hours now. Amazing stuff. 

As much as I hear about this stuff being supposedly true, funnily enough I have spent most of my (sex) life considered both smart and sexy. Not a single time in my 25 years and many sexual partners have I ever felt that my intelligence was seen as a bad thing, or something that made me less attractive. 

I&#039;m not trying to say my experience is universal or anything like that, it just staggers me a little how this trope is supposed to be so common yet exists entirely outside of my personal experience and that of my peer groups.

This might sound a little intolerant I suppose, but honestly anyone who showed that attitude to me would be out the door in five seconds. I just don&#039;t see, if you respect yourself, how you could be attracted to someone who considers your intelligence a liability. So why does this cause problems? Seems to me it&#039;s only a problem if an intelligent woman is attracted to a man who doesn&#039;t like female intelligence... so why do women find that attractive? Isn&#039;t that kind of absurd? I don&#039;t mean to sound insulting, but I would like to hear an explanation if anyone has one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maymay, just discovered your blog and have been absorbed for hours now. Amazing stuff. </p>
<p>As much as I hear about this stuff being supposedly true, funnily enough I have spent most of my (sex) life considered both smart and sexy. Not a single time in my 25 years and many sexual partners have I ever felt that my intelligence was seen as a bad thing, or something that made me less attractive. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to say my experience is universal or anything like that, it just staggers me a little how this trope is supposed to be so common yet exists entirely outside of my personal experience and that of my peer groups.</p>
<p>This might sound a little intolerant I suppose, but honestly anyone who showed that attitude to me would be out the door in five seconds. I just don&#8217;t see, if you respect yourself, how you could be attracted to someone who considers your intelligence a liability. So why does this cause problems? Seems to me it&#8217;s only a problem if an intelligent woman is attracted to a man who doesn&#8217;t like female intelligence&#8230; so why do women find that attractive? Isn&#8217;t that kind of absurd? I don&#8217;t mean to sound insulting, but I would like to hear an explanation if anyone has one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dustin</title>
		<link>http://maybemaimed.com/2007/12/20/the-sexism-of-sex-and-smarts/#comment-155424</link>
		<dc:creator>dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 18:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yet the kind of man I want to be is a second-class citizen in this culture, and I suffer for that, as do the millions of other men who, like me, do not see things your way.&quot;

do you believe there&#039;s a stature which, once attained, will &quot;justify&quot; the physical/emotional efforts involved in your existing? and, if society refuses to recognize you at this level (as &quot;first class&quot;, etc), is it your responsibility to change the way that society operates? i battle feelings of uselessness when i&#039;m unable to create value - even within a community whose views i&#039;ve redacted - but i don&#039;t believe that these feelings are (or should be) intrinsically linked with something as ephemeral as social status.

if my intelligence has any kind of sexual appeal i&#039;m not using it correctly. in this sense, i&#039;ll be extremely lucky if i can create one meaningful, enduring connection with another person.

rationally, though - what i&#039;d like to believe - is that, even if my path leads me away from the bright dreams of wealth, stature, success, fertility, etc, there are worlds of opportunity to take pleasure in nearly every aspect of reality. i think society&#039;s goal-driven culture clouds, underrates and perhaps purposefully distorts these pleasures for the sake of increasing our productivity and improving the profitability of our economies.

which is not to say that gender stereotypes are not unfortunate, or that everyone gets &quot;what they deserve&quot; - just that social regard, wealth and beauty are not prerequisites for living successfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet the kind of man I want to be is a second-class citizen in this culture, and I suffer for that, as do the millions of other men who, like me, do not see things your way.&#8221;</p>
<p>do you believe there&#8217;s a stature which, once attained, will &#8220;justify&#8221; the physical/emotional efforts involved in your existing? and, if society refuses to recognize you at this level (as &#8220;first class&#8221;, etc), is it your responsibility to change the way that society operates? i battle feelings of uselessness when i&#8217;m unable to create value &#8211; even within a community whose views i&#8217;ve redacted &#8211; but i don&#8217;t believe that these feelings are (or should be) intrinsically linked with something as ephemeral as social status.</p>
<p>if my intelligence has any kind of sexual appeal i&#8217;m not using it correctly. in this sense, i&#8217;ll be extremely lucky if i can create one meaningful, enduring connection with another person.</p>
<p>rationally, though &#8211; what i&#8217;d like to believe &#8211; is that, even if my path leads me away from the bright dreams of wealth, stature, success, fertility, etc, there are worlds of opportunity to take pleasure in nearly every aspect of reality. i think society&#8217;s goal-driven culture clouds, underrates and perhaps purposefully distorts these pleasures for the sake of increasing our productivity and improving the profitability of our economies.</p>
<p>which is not to say that gender stereotypes are not unfortunate, or that everyone gets &#8220;what they deserve&#8221; &#8211; just that social regard, wealth and beauty are not prerequisites for living successfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Maybe Maimed but Never Harmed &#8250; Femquaker: Shanna Katz, Sex-Positive Sexuality Educator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maybe Maimed but Never Harmed &#8250; Femquaker: Shanna Katz, Sex-Positive Sexuality Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Maybe Maimed but Never Harmed &#8250; Breasts AND brains are good for humanity &#38; deserve respect! Introducing: Femquake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maybe Maimed but Never Harmed &#8250; Breasts AND brains are good for humanity &#38; deserve respect! Introducing: Femquake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 02:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Meitar Moscovitz (maymaym) 's status on Tuesday, 20-Oct-09 18:01:41 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meitar Moscovitz (maymaym) 's status on Tuesday, 20-Oct-09 18:01:41 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Switch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Switch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the professional world women are valued there for being beautiful or intellingent or both.  But a women who is more successful or intelligent than her husband boyfriend or lover makes a mockary of him just by existing. Why I do not know but couples in which the man is more intelligent than the woman pass without comment or censure.  The reverse always inspires negative comment.  The sin is not being brainy, but being noticably brainier than your man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the professional world women are valued there for being beautiful or intellingent or both.  But a women who is more successful or intelligent than her husband boyfriend or lover makes a mockary of him just by existing. Why I do not know but couples in which the man is more intelligent than the woman pass without comment or censure.  The reverse always inspires negative comment.  The sin is not being brainy, but being noticably brainier than your man.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rona, you may be right - when I worked in the city plain girls were not seriously regarded as a threat no matter how ambitious they were.

Tom, did you ever see the black &amp; white movie of Topper, Cary Grant is perfection as George Kirby, I think I saw that website you are talking about, Thorne Smiths books are out of copyright protection now, I wonder why no screenwriter has  produced a screenplay of The Stray Lamb or Turn and Turn and turnabout. I should do it myself. I used to know a very good screenwriter - mind you he despised his job, he still dreamed of winning a Pullitzer, I think he shot himself in Mexico about five years ago. He wrote a script called The Glass Cage and his agent sold it to Playboy who made it into a porn movie, it was probably his best pay day ever but it was the final insult for a man who regarded himself as a serious writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rona, you may be right &#8211; when I worked in the city plain girls were not seriously regarded as a threat no matter how ambitious they were.</p>
<p>Tom, did you ever see the black &amp; white movie of Topper, Cary Grant is perfection as George Kirby, I think I saw that website you are talking about, Thorne Smiths books are out of copyright protection now, I wonder why no screenwriter has  produced a screenplay of The Stray Lamb or Turn and Turn and turnabout. I should do it myself. I used to know a very good screenwriter &#8211; mind you he despised his job, he still dreamed of winning a Pullitzer, I think he shot himself in Mexico about five years ago. He wrote a script called The Glass Cage and his agent sold it to Playboy who made it into a porn movie, it was probably his best pay day ever but it was the final insult for a man who regarded himself as a serious writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>::laughs::

Toni, I started on Nightlife of the Gods when I was a young teenager, drawn, I&#039;m sure, to the cutely sexy pictures of Herberrt Roese. Some years later I discovered at my parent&#039;s winter place the trilogy book that has Topper Takes a Trip, Nightlife of the Gods and The Bishop&#039;s Jaegers.  My favorite is still Topper Takes a Trip, and I think I re-read it once a year. I&#039;ve got a decent collection of them, most given to me from an uncle who was amazed that I knew of them at all. Somewhere on the net I even found a number of them in e-book format, which I converted to read on my Palm. 

What amazes me is that even though many of the situations and dialogue are dated, there is so much that is just as fresh and ... naughty almost a century after the books were written. 

I&#039;d be a Thorne Smith fangirl if I were a girl. He&#039;s like, um, a 1920&#039;s Douglas Adams, but a bit more risque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>::laughs::</p>
<p>Toni, I started on Nightlife of the Gods when I was a young teenager, drawn, I&#8217;m sure, to the cutely sexy pictures of Herberrt Roese. Some years later I discovered at my parent&#8217;s winter place the trilogy book that has Topper Takes a Trip, Nightlife of the Gods and The Bishop&#8217;s Jaegers.  My favorite is still Topper Takes a Trip, and I think I re-read it once a year. I&#8217;ve got a decent collection of them, most given to me from an uncle who was amazed that I knew of them at all. Somewhere on the net I even found a number of them in e-book format, which I converted to read on my Palm. </p>
<p>What amazes me is that even though many of the situations and dialogue are dated, there is so much that is just as fresh and &#8230; naughty almost a century after the books were written. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be a Thorne Smith fangirl if I were a girl. He&#8217;s like, um, a 1920&#8242;s Douglas Adams, but a bit more risque.</p>
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		<title>By: Rona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that these days society necessarily has that much trouble valuing women for their brains without them being sexy... I think it has trouble valuing them as both. Just speaking personally, I have rarely had a problem getting anyone to take my brain seriously (there have been exceptions, but they&#039;re exceptions, not the rule). I don&#039;t think that would have been the case, however, had I looked like Calico. Beautiful girls, girls men want to possess, are threatening to a lot of men if they&#039;re also smart. You don&#039;t want your possessions competing with you. On the other hand, ugly, or even plain, girls aren&#039;t potentially possessions, so their intelligence isn&#039;t as problematic. They just get their femininity dismissed. They&#039;re valued as long as they don&#039;t try to act like women. Personally, I think that&#039;s more where the gender divide lives. I don&#039;t know, though. I was never a typical girl. The only thing that I was raised to think of as important was success - and success in a field that values brains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that these days society necessarily has that much trouble valuing women for their brains without them being sexy&#8230; I think it has trouble valuing them as both. Just speaking personally, I have rarely had a problem getting anyone to take my brain seriously (there have been exceptions, but they&#8217;re exceptions, not the rule). I don&#8217;t think that would have been the case, however, had I looked like Calico. Beautiful girls, girls men want to possess, are threatening to a lot of men if they&#8217;re also smart. You don&#8217;t want your possessions competing with you. On the other hand, ugly, or even plain, girls aren&#8217;t potentially possessions, so their intelligence isn&#8217;t as problematic. They just get their femininity dismissed. They&#8217;re valued as long as they don&#8217;t try to act like women. Personally, I think that&#8217;s more where the gender divide lives. I don&#8217;t know, though. I was never a typical girl. The only thing that I was raised to think of as important was success &#8211; and success in a field that values brains.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maymay, I am sure you are right in everything you say. My views on masculinity and on life in general have been shaped by the unique circumstances of my life, as everyones are. I wouldn&#039;t wish my life on anybody, on reflection I have had some good times but it has been a constant struggle. You are right that I have little interest in other people of any gender or orientation, I fully realised this about 3 years ago when the ex-girlfriend, the Thai princess, stated, matter of factly to me &quot;you are unkind&quot; she didn&#039;t mean it as an insult, just as a character flaw she had identified. It threw me a little as I had always considered myself a decent enough person. Another time, after her and her sister had been making merit, which is a thing that wealthy Thais do, I think they had taken money and gifts to the orfanage for retarded children nd I made some cynical comments, she pointed out how disconnected from real people I am. I don&#039;t believe I am but I accept I have a somewhat blinkered view and this is why it matters little to me what you think about my viewpoint and I certainly would not try and impose my values on you or anyone else. As for why I remain on this blog circuit, while it is true I have far too much time on my hands and am currently incapicitated, I do enjoy reading and there is a surprisingly high level of interesting content on this section of the internet.

Tom, I can&#039;t believe you are a Thorne Smith fan. I started reading his books when I was 11, my first was Rain In The Doorway and then, inevitably, Topper. I still reread them constantly but lately I am most drawn to The Stray Lamb and Skin and Bones. What is your favourite? No one writes the way Mr.Smith did, I have a collection of beaten up first editions and when I open up Nightlife of the Gods, I am transported to the decadent 20&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maymay, I am sure you are right in everything you say. My views on masculinity and on life in general have been shaped by the unique circumstances of my life, as everyones are. I wouldn&#8217;t wish my life on anybody, on reflection I have had some good times but it has been a constant struggle. You are right that I have little interest in other people of any gender or orientation, I fully realised this about 3 years ago when the ex-girlfriend, the Thai princess, stated, matter of factly to me &#8220;you are unkind&#8221; she didn&#8217;t mean it as an insult, just as a character flaw she had identified. It threw me a little as I had always considered myself a decent enough person. Another time, after her and her sister had been making merit, which is a thing that wealthy Thais do, I think they had taken money and gifts to the orfanage for retarded children nd I made some cynical comments, she pointed out how disconnected from real people I am. I don&#8217;t believe I am but I accept I have a somewhat blinkered view and this is why it matters little to me what you think about my viewpoint and I certainly would not try and impose my values on you or anyone else. As for why I remain on this blog circuit, while it is true I have far too much time on my hands and am currently incapicitated, I do enjoy reading and there is a surprisingly high level of interesting content on this section of the internet.</p>
<p>Tom, I can&#8217;t believe you are a Thorne Smith fan. I started reading his books when I was 11, my first was Rain In The Doorway and then, inevitably, Topper. I still reread them constantly but lately I am most drawn to The Stray Lamb and Skin and Bones. What is your favourite? No one writes the way Mr.Smith did, I have a collection of beaten up first editions and when I open up Nightlife of the Gods, I am transported to the decadent 20&#8242;s.</p>
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