Ever since all that life-rebuilding stuff I’ve been doing in Sydney to get from the “Oh my god, how am I going to maintain positive cash flow?” state of mind to the “Wow, I’m really enjoying my new job” one, most of my thoughts haven’t been geared towards kink. Eileen and I aren’t playing quite as regularly because we’re both super busy, and besides, we still don’t have most of our toys back anyway. Not that we can only ever play when we have a massive pile of leather and metal and hemp, but it helps.
Lately, however, a few things have happened that have put kink and sexuality back on my mind again. Obviously, the presentation Eileen and I did to kick-start the über Skill Share Workshops is one of them, but more specifically, it was the fallout of the workshops that was really interesting. We got some excellent feedback from the presentation, almost entirely positive, which I’m very happy with. Here’s a few snippets, with emphasis added by me:
informative – finally something that speaks to dominant women
Certainly interesting. Focus on chastity and denial with little on the tease build up. But good
good infoExcellent. Very knowledgeable and enthusiastic presenters. Interesting anecdotes and comments
very informativeexcellent, very constructive and professional
informative, fun and very horny :-)
inspirational and realistic. Really interesting topic and well presented
informative, well presented, good structure and extremely worthwhile
interesting – gave a good range of perspectives
informative, Entertaining – good tips & things to think about. Thanks!
It was great. Very informative. It was a friendly environment
The really interesting bit was the first item, right up there at the top. Someone exclaimed relief that they had finally listened to something that spoke to dominant women. Wait a minute, aren’t there lots of things that speak to dominant women? I mean, aren’t there hundreds upon hundreds of submissive men and other dominant women milling about the place, whether online or in person, all talking about femdom and stuff? We all know that there are. Hell, there are even books!
But if you take a closer look, almost none of them are actually saying anything to dominant women about dominant women, and instead they’re all just regurgitating the same stereotyped male fantasies over and over again. In other words, there are no good materials from which dominant women can draw knowledge about how to be the dominant woman that they want to be. There’s no good resource (that isn’t a blog, as far as I know) that discusses the kinds of things necessary for self-discovery or sexual self-actualization, such as exploring what turns you on, and why.
In conversation the other day, the woman I was speaking with remarked on how her male friends found her own awkwardness in revealing her sexual proclivities to others strange. One of her male friends, she told me, said quite bluntly that he just tells other guys he likes to tie girls up, and they all think that’s great. This guy doesn’t understand that if he had any other sexual orientation or interests, or if he were not a male, then the people to whom he might announce this interest would not think so highly of him. Why? Because any proclamation other than a male-dominant, female-submissive heteronormative paradigm is seen as “abnormal.”
That’s why this woman, and most others I know, don’t go around telling other women how they’d love to tie boys up. That’s why boys like me don’t go around telling other boys that we’d love to have women tie us up. It’s just not met with the same kind of accepted “boys will be boys” attitude. It’s not “normal.”
Thanks in part to this idiocy, I’m sure, we end up with literature and resources that proclaim themselves to be femdom-themed and “aimed at women” but in fact do nothing other than mirror the supposed male fantasy ideal. As I was drafting this entry, I found that Calico may have said it most simply:
There’s a big difference between learning to be a good pro-domme […] and learning about your own dominance. They are not always interchangeable.
She should know. (She’s a pro.) Like most things, this is also a two-way street. Submissive men, for whom new and updated content seems to be in endless daily TGP-style supply, also have a sad lack of any really good material that speaks to their needs. But I don’t want to get distracted, so back to my original point, which is that no one’s really talking to dominant women….
The next day, I read a couple of emails from a chastity group I subscribe to. I almost never read these emails, and I wouldn’t have read this one either if it weren’t from a first-time female poster who was asking the group for advice. The original inquiry read as follows (emphasis added by me):
I am new to the group. My husband and I have used the CB for play over the past few years, but he has never been locked up longer than a few days at a time. To be honest, he seems to enjoy it more than me.
He has been wanting to be locked up for longer, so I put the cage on him a week ago. I let him take it off to go to work, and sometimes I take it off at night when I want to tease him.
How do I decide how long to keep him locked up. Also, what can I do to make this more fun for me?
If you have suggestions, please help.
Here’s what blew me away. She says—in what I can only describe as painfully blunt language—that the whole chastity thing isn’t really doing it for her right now and that her husband’s the one getting his fantasies fulfilled, not her. It just isn’t fun enough. Yet nobody, not one person who responded to her, said anything about her, or even any woman, at all. Every single sentence in every single response was focused solely on the guy in the chastity device and, of course, his penis not getting to squirt.
I don’t know about you, but for me, it’s really hard to get my rocks off when someone pulls a garden gnome out from under the bed and starts yodeling at me. I’m not frigid, I just don’t get off on garden gnomes and yodeling. If you do, great, and if I like you enough and we can agree on some additional, mutually enjoyable activity, then I’ll probably even go along for the garden gnome yodeling sex session every so often. But the fact of the matter is, it’s just not going to be as exciting for me as it is for you.
If you think this analogy is unfair, take a look at some of the absolutely horrific responses this woman got to her post. Here’s the very first response:
Maam,
For the past 4 months I have been locked up in a CB 3K. Here is how things work at my house:1. It doesn’t come off except for showering and she stands there and watches me so I can’t jack off (Every guy is going to jack off at work if you take it off for them to go there).
2. I am required to deliver a minimum of two, but as many orgasms as demanded using my tounge most evenings. I am so hard, and dripping so badly with the sorest balls imaginable after this.
3. If I do not get to cum, I get milked every week but into a condom and I must consume the contents.
4. If I had a nocturnal or other unauthorized ejaculation, my cock and balls are punished pretty intenseley.
5. Sometimes when I have pleased her and am given the opportunity to cum, she will release me, have me roll a single dice, and that is how many minutes I get to cum. If I don’t, then tough luck.
Thanks Maam.
If you think that’s bad, here’s the second response, supposedly by a woman:
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Ann ,I somewhat agree with geoge;s list to start with ! Most deafly Keep him LOCKED when goin to work ! Try 24 hours for min of two weeks ? Switch roles and use Strap-on on him ! Milk his prastate also Very Important ! Do just as geoge said ! Cuckholding is also Very Good and Can be LOTS of fun for you ! Especially if ypour hubby avg sized and you can Find Well Hung Stud to use in front him !  Good Luck !Mistress Coral
Okay, okay, surely the good responses just take a bit longer to arrive, right? Um…wrong. Here’s the third response:
Try this.
Put it on him. Tell him you’re giving him a longer period, but don’t say how much – tell him you haven’t decided.
Next, think of some things you really want him to do for you.
Then just let him simmer till he asks to be let out. First time he asks tell him to wait a while. Then start making conditions.
Meanwhile don’t take it off at night. If you want tease, have him satisfy you in other ways.
Sigh. I could go on, but I think you get the picture.
What does any of this have to do with answering her question, or even with her at all? Nothing. Which, for any of you unable to follow along at home, means she probably didn’t find it all that hot (even if other submissive guys did).
You see, that’s the thing about male submission. It’s been so utterly divorced from female dominants, segregated by this absolutely unbreachable moat around the castle of male fantasy (with all of its very long, very hard, very locked-up spires), that there’s just no way for womankind—dominant or not—to have any hope of actually penetrating it. Which I think is odd, considering how much some of these guys seem to enjoy being penetrated.
You don’t have to read past the first sentence in most of these responses to see that they’re entirely dick-driven, that absolutely none of them—not a single bullet point in any of the responses—have to do even the tiniest bit with how she’s feeling, or what she might want out of the chastity play. So what if you get off on having her not tell you how long she’ll keep you locked up for? What’s in it for her? Is “satisfy you in other ways” really the best you can come up with?
Why is nobody talking about the sexual rushes she might feel (instead of what the guy’s tongue may or may not be doing), or the feeling of power and self-empowerment that being sexually dominant might engender in her? Modern waves of feminism may have done heaps for women in the workforce, but they seem to have done absolutely squat for women who want to find good resources on being dominant.
Of course, none of this is all that surprising. Send an email to a group of locked-up guys who probably haven’t been having a lot of orgasms recently and I suppose you can’t expect much more than dick-driven responses. Like Robin Williams said (sort of), God gave all men a penis and a brain, but he only gave most men enough blood to run one at a time.
That, of course, doesn’t even begin to address the issue of whether or not submissive men can even speak knowledgeably about the self-actualization of dominant women. After all, I know of no dominant women who can speak with much first-hand authority about the self-actualization of submissive men.
In the spirit of being the change I wish to see in the world, here’s a snippet of the response I sent to the original poster (privately):
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I am a submissive man, myself, and my dominant girlfriend and I play with chastity, too. We both have a lot of fun with it. I love the control over me it gives to my girlfriend, but I wouldn’t like it if my girlfriend didn’t also enjoy it for her own sake. She finds our chastity play fun because she genuinely enjoys having the power to make decisions about my sexual state, but that is not necessarily what I would expect every woman to think was sexy.The only way to make chastity play more fun for you is to find out what you think is sexy about it. Chastity play and sexual teasing of this nature should be fun for both you and your husband. You don’t have to be a mean and demanding bitch, like some of the responses might have implied, nor do you have to go find additional sexual partners, give up penetrative sex, or set goals or tasks for him to “achieve.” These are all just things that other people, mostly submissive men, have found to be arousing. Don’t feel bad if they don’t sound sexy to you.
The key to enjoying chastity is no different than it is to enjoying any sexual activity, for that’s what a chastity fetish is—a sexual activity. What other kinds of things, imagery, thoughts, scenarios, emotions, sounds, or other stimuli do you find erotic? What do you really enjoy? You don’t have to follow stereotypes, because sexual desires are individual.
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So, I guess that’s why I was so heartened by seeing that first line of feedback from the presentation I gave with Eileen. Someone sees that we want to talk to dominant women. I hope more people start doing that—not least of all submissive men, since it’s kind of in their best interests to do so, y’know?
by Sod
25 Apr 2008 at 02:28
Sometimes, more than the content itself, the context and particularly WHO the author is, is what really drives the message in. This was not only good, lucid and very important issue to deliver, but it had to come from your vantage point to become as poignant and effective. I have come to expect nothing less from you, yet you keep surprising me with brilliant and generous observations.
by Dev
25 Apr 2008 at 02:29
It drives me nuts that every enquiry or discussion about femdom is about how to make it hotter to submissive men – as though that is the problem with femdom, that submissive men don’t find it hot enough. It’s crazy.
I don’t mean to imply that men (submissive or otherwise) are so easy they just find any old thing hot. That’s just a pernicious stereotype. They are actually, surprise, people, and all like different things, and need to work just as hard as others to figure out their own preferences.
But, generally speaking, the complaint of submissive men is that there aren’t enough dominant women, or that their own partner won’t dominate them. And the solution to that is adamantly not “Let’s figure out exactly what’s hot to the man and do more of that.” If you don’t make it hotter to women, they won’t play.
Not every woman is going to enjoy being dominant anyway. We have our own sexualities too. But for a woman who might, or could, or does enjoy being dominant, it has to be based on what’s in it for her. Otherwise she’s just doing you a favor, which is fine, but then at least don’t make her lie about it, please.
by alterisego
25 Apr 2008 at 09:58
It seems to me that a lot of guys have difficulty understanding that their girlfriends’ (or any girls’) sexual responses and preferences may not be the same as theirs. I suppose this is at least in part because of the dick-centered media, but in any case I bet it didn’t even occur to the men on that mailing list that a dominant woman would not conform to someone’s particular mental image of what a dominant woman should be.
I think in some ways it can be as difficult for submissive women to negotiate a power dynamic more frequently associated with the patriarchy.
-EMR
by MsS&S
27 Apr 2008 at 11:16
I appreciate what you wrote. I think chastity can be pretty hot but my last experience with it was definitely not. It went from my enjoying teasing him to his constant asking if I liked his cock and simply playing with him. I love playing with a man’s cock, but come on! There has to be more it than that and by that time I just wasn’t interested anymore. I’d take a different approach next time, with it more directly centered on me instead.
by maymay
27 Apr 2008 at 12:35
Thanks, all.
Yeah, I have to say that I’m often in utter amazement at how completely blind so many men (and sometimes some women) can be about these things. It’s astonishing to me that most of these people would be able to list hundreds of examples of how different people are different without missing a beat. Ask any of these people about people’s music tastes, or sense of humor, or anything of that sort, and I’m willing to bet that most of them will acknowledge how different people can have different desires right away.
But steer the conversation to sex, and it’s like some kind of curtain has just fallen over their eyes and they can’t understand that anyone might like anything that isn’t exactly what they like. It’s just…ridiculous.
by Týr
28 Apr 2008 at 06:49
You are so getting a garden gnome for your birthday.
by lalouve
28 Apr 2008 at 21:54
I don’t generally find chastity play hot (I like his coming too much for that), but I sometimes like how much my husband/sub likes it. The important thing is that there is other stuff I find hot, and, as you say, with sufficient fun stuff otherwise, one can join in the garden gnome and yodeling session occasionally.
Being a dominant woman seems not to deliver one from the overarching discourse of sex: sex is what he likes. If he likes to be submissive, that is what the woman in question is expected to supply: in many cases, what submissive men seem to want is a service top who can also pretend that she gets off on it. I find your blog very refreshing reading because you are clearly not that type of submissive, and may I say that from what I read here, you and Eileen seem to have a warm and loving relationship. It was such a relief to find a d/s relationship that looks a bit like ours.
by maymay
28 Apr 2008 at 22:18
Well said, lalouve. This is exactly why I am so uninterested in sexual services such as the ones prostitutes, hookers, strippers, or professional dominatrices offer. I don’t want a sexual service—that’s what I want to provide to my partner. I just don’t have fun with it otherwise.
Thanks! I wish I knew more people in D/s relationships that looked like this in person. I’m still feeling pretty isolated…but I really appreciate your comment!
by Bitchy Jones
28 Apr 2008 at 23:44
I don’t know what to say. What I feel like saying is ‘arrgh’ and kicking stuff.
I thought this would be reasonably easy to fix. I thought this problem was pretty obvious and if I pointed it out people would just say, oh, yeah, and fix it.
Well, that was probably stupid, but really, you do have to wonder why femdom (and by femdom I really do mean submissive men) has such a huge problem with female sexual agency.
Also, this comment by Dev:
It drives me nuts that every enquiry or discussion about femdom is about how to make it hotter to submissive men – as though that is the problem with femdom, that submissive men don’t find it hot enough. It’s crazy.
Genius!
by graylion
30 Apr 2008 at 03:06
*waves at maymay* just wanting to say hello as lalouve’s husband.
as for good recipes (referring to the note below the posting window), have a look at my LJ, I sometimes post some.
graylion
by QueSera
11 May 2008 at 13:29
Just wanted to pipe in and say that my partner and I have a fully functional d/s relationship. I appreciate your blog because it resonates with us too.
I have in the past struggled with the “sex is what he likes” paradigm. It is so at odds with the internal knowledge that I am sexually dominant. I’ve tried to ignore it, fight it, work with it. Most of the time just being the confident person I am has allowed me to cope with this pervasive (even into my mind) mindset. Maybe age has helped too. But there have been times when I really ranted about it.
I’ve never owned a chastity “device” but we do play with chastity at times. We don’t do it more, precisely because it is not that great a turn on for me. I tend to choose what we do, and I tend to choose things that are the biggest turn ons for me, although sometimes I choose my partner’s biggest turn ons, because as lalouve said, I get turned on by his responses too.
Because I choose, I free my partner from ever having to worry whether he was pleasing to me, or whether I was happy with what we did. And I am freed from worrying about whether sex is going to meet my needs or feel one-sided. When any of these feelings happen, we can at least know it was my choice.
Fortunately we are well enough matched that there are no yodeling gnomes under the bed gathering dust.
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by Rika
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Maybe better late than never:
Please take a look at my book, “Uniquely Rika” (www.Lulu.com/content/1923165) – or through Amazon, B&N, Borders, etc. You’ve hit the proverbial nail on the head…this is what my book is all about. Hopefully, there is now a reasonable resource that speaks to dominant women and also educates the men who truly want to serve us.
– Rika.
by Cinder
10 Jun 2008 at 04:25
Thanks, this was wonderfully insightful. Personally I tend to turn OFF if the other person gets too insistent about something. It might be the Sadist in me – if the other one likes it too much, where’s the suffering?
Chastity for me is all about control. We have just started trying to get the damned thing ON, and havent’ managed to get that far yet. he is terrified enough that all he needs to do is SEE the CB6000, and his balls crawl up and try to hide, and his dick shrinks and refuses to even get near the tube. It’s hilarious. his face is worth a study when he looks at me so offended because I am laughing at his suffering.
But he keeps trying, and sooner or later those balls will have strentched enough that I’ll be able to surprise them and trap them! That’s the turnon for Me: The resistance, the struggle, the victory, and then the control. The more I have to work at it, the more I want it. Yumm :)
Now, actually keeping him IN chastity once I am over that treshold may turn out to be boring. Who knows?
Cinder
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by Mona
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I want to thank you for this post. I am a woman exploring being dominant and what it means to me with my partner. I haven’t tried the chastity thing yet, Lets face it sex isn’t easy in regular terms let alone with the complications that dominance/submission brings – each person has to come to their own realisations about their dominance/submission and then bring it and see where respect and communication take it – it’s actually a lot harder and a lot more simple at the same time. Thank you for acknowleging publically that it’s ok for women to say I want to be dominant and don’t want to do what I don’t enjoy. I happy to have read a post from somebody out there who actually gets it.
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