Update: The attacks against me originated from Donna M. Hughes and Margaret Brooks; the Salvation Army republished and more widely distributed Donna M. Hughes’ and Margaret Brooks’ vicious insinuations. See the bottom of this post for details.
Acting on what you believe in is an easy thing to do. At first.
But then mean, angry, or frightened people insinuate nasty behavior on your part, misquote you seemingly on purpose, and paint you out to be a nightmarish creature. A sex slaver. A child molester. They’ll call you or what you do slimy, putrid, decaying, nasty, trash
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Or at least, they might if you were me, what you believed in was that everyone on Earth deserves the capability to access public discussions about the intersection of sexuality with the rest of life, and they were the (rather inappropriately named for this particular initiative of theirs) Initiative Against Sexual Trafficking, a branch of the Salvation Army, or its mailing list subscribers.
Yesterday, I learned that the Salvation Army apparently sent out an email blast that, among other things, seems to have viscously attacked KinkForAll as an idea and, beyond inappropriate, attacked me personally. At a minimum, they evidently incited at least one blogger to name me a pedophile and to say things like the following:
Today I got a message from the chairperson of the Initiative Against Sexual Trafficking, an arm of the Salvation Army. […] As part of their mailing list, I receive information on legislation, programming, etc. as a way of becoming informed about the issue.
Well, I’d rather not have been informed about the following issue. I share it with you as a way of expressing deep sorrow.
[…]
KinkforAll, an “organization†begun by middle-school drop-out [“maymay”], recently sponsored an event on the Brown University campus in Providence, Rhode Island.
[…]
[“maymay”] is, quite simply, nothing short of a pedophile […] I really believe that this [“maymay”] character has one of the sickest, darkest minds that I’ve ever heard of. […] All that matters to him are his own dark kicks.
How dare he? More importantly, how dare we? Where is the rage for what this man is trying to do to our children? Where are the prosecutors, working to toss him behind bars?
It goes on quite a ways, and there’s no link love for obvious reasons. You can Google for the source if you’d like; it’s not hard. Obviously, I’d be very interested to read the email that incited this post, but I’m not subscribed to their mailing list and I can’t figure out how to get on the mailing list or view their archives from their web site. (I’d give them an F on their transparency report card if I were grading.)
To this particular blogger’s credit (her name is Marie, and she is “completely in love with Jesus,” according to her blog’s “about” page), she took a deep breath and, in a followup post earlier today, retracted her accusations. She writes:
it was wrong of me to liken [“maymay”] to a pedophile. I can’t say that. I don’t know that.
[…]
As I was writing the piece, it began, in my mind, as a factual presentation, and then devolved into an emotional scream. I had a name that I could latch on to, as way of being able to pin all the blame on someone for something that makes me hurt. See, it’s really easy to cross that line between judging an action and judging a person. The problem, to me, is a whole lot bigger than this one person or his personal opinions.
So, I’m not ashamed to say that that was wrong and that I’m sorry, both to you who might read this blog and to [“maymay”] himself. That wasn’t careful writing, nor was it me at my best. Actually, I was engaging in the kind of writing that I feel very strongly that I’m not supposed to do.
I’m impressed with the personal integrity Marie has shown in her second post. Sadly, that’s very often lacking in people and so it wouldn’t be a stretch to imagine that the hateful sentiments Marie expressed in her first post are not unique to her. That’s a frightening thought.
Let me be plain. It is fucking terrifying to be publicly slandered by people you don’t know, who fail to get their facts correct about you or your actions, who are incited by a faceless, nameless insinuator that refuses to engage with you. It’s enraging to be accused of doing the very things you want to prevent. These Salvation Army people scare me.
I am scared, and I am angry. But, y’know what?
Being scared and angry isn’t mutually exclusive with standing up for what you believe in. So I’m going to stand up and dare to say that access to education, including accurate, rational, and non-judgemental sexuality information, is a fundamental human right, that everyone on Earth deserves to have their human rights met from the moment they are born, and for that reason it is important that everyone’s right to access educational resources they’ve demonstrated intent to access is upheld. Period.
I think it’s tragic that people who ostensibly want to do such good in the world, like Marie and even more like the authors of that defaming email, end up doing such awful things. But nothing in our lives is forever changeless, so when I saw the second breath that Marie took, I risked a blog comment. Following, in case it doesn’t get approved on Marie’s blog, is the comment I submitted in full.
As you read it, regardless of who you are, please ask yourself this one simple question: What can I do in this situation that will enable other people to live, learn, and be joyous? The answer to your question is how you will empower others. Now your job is to find a way to keep that happening without you, because only when your presence is no longer required have you actually succeeded in self-empowering others.
Hi Marie,
In your comment above, you poignantly wrote some words I agree with. Specifically, you said:
I look around me, at women specifically, and I don’t see the promised liberation. I see girls getting pregnant at 14. I see women starving themselves or getting all sorts of surgery in order to be “beautiful.†I see wives reduced to playing porn in the bedroom, because their husbands aren’t aroused without it. That’s what makes me uncomfortable and sad. I believe that women are absolutely equal to men[…].
I still see a lot of this too, and it angers me, too. (Did you know that potentially unsafe labia dye products are on the market? Sigh.) It angers me because the reality you described with those words actively hurts me, just as much as it hurts millions of other men (although too few of my fellow men seem to understand this) and it hurts women, and it hurts children. I’m working very hard in the way I know best to eradicate sexual misinformation, shaming, and abuse. With respect to our goals as I understand yours from your quote, above, I don’t see a very big difference between us. :)
You mentioned that you’re going to keep your previous post up. If you’re going to do that, then I’d appreciate the opportunity to address some statements you wrote as “factual presentation” but are, in fact, incorrect.
First, you wrote:
KinkForAll […] recently sponsored an event on the Brown University campus in Providence, Rhode Island.
To be precise, it was the Sexual Health Education and Empowerment Council (SHEEC), a student group at Brown University, that sponsored the KinkForAll Providence unconference. Neither KinkForAll nor Brown University were sponsoring the event. You can learn more about SHEEC from their web site.
Second, you wrote:
The specific goal of the event was to foster an acceptance of bondage, discipline and sadomasochism – as well as promoting an “anything goes” attitude.
In reality, I have personally loudly spoken out that the goal of KinkForAll events should never be specific to an acceptance of bondage, discipline and sadomasochism. The true goal of KinkForAll unconferences are to inspire conversations about the intersection of sexuality with the rest of life. (Consider reading the short “KinkForAll” about page, if you haven’t yet.)
“The intersection of sexuality with the rest of life” covers a lot of ground, and has included things like healthy cooking and eating (at KinkForAll New York City 2), free speech and privacy technologies (at KinkForAll San Francisco), and a host of other topics, but for some reason people like the folks at the Salvation Army seem particularly excited to spotlight discussions about consensual sadomasochism. Moreover, they say those topics are my focus, when they have never been my focus at KinkForAll unconferences at all. That’s very misleading and I find it small of them to show such carelessness in misrepresenting me so blatantly.
Have you considered the possibility that some of these people are conjuring some demons from their own fears, rather than from reality?
Third, you wrote:
Each person attending the event was required to participate in the many discussion panels
That’s not true, either. Participation can include speaking up in discussion panels if one so chooses, but it can also mean helping put out chairs, bringing home cooked food (pot-luck lunch is yummier than catered food!), taking out the trash, or just sitting in and listening or taking notes or something. Really, we have a whole page with suggestions of how to participate; the unconferences are expressly designed as open to the public spaces where people can feel physically safe and free to abstain from anything they’re not up to doing. :)
Fourth, you wrote:
[“maymay”] insisted to school officials – both at Brown and on other campuses where he has been allowed to hold events – that children be allowed to attend. [… He] claims to find it “heartwarming” that at least one minor has been officially recorded as having attended one of the events in New York. […] Responding to a hypothetical question about what he would do should a nine-year-old child show up at a KinkforAll, [“maymay”] wrote that he would hold this child to be “amazing” and would help him get connected with the group.
I’ve actually never spoken to school officials about KinkForAll so, again, I question the reliability of your source. Also, I think the minor you’re referring to who has been “officially recorded” was a local high school student in Washington, D.C., not New York City. I found it “heartwarming” that she chose to lead a discussion about being in high school and working with school administrators on sexuality issues at school. Again, you might do well to follow up with whatever your source is, since your information seems littered with errors.
As for the “amazing” quote—a quote of one word—you attribute to me, what you’re likely referring to were the conversations I had with fellow event planners where I insisted that an “open to the public” event, like KinkForAll unconferences are, should by definition not restrict the ability of anyone who shows an informed intent to participate from doing so, regardless of race, religious belief, or age. It would be amazing if young people were empowered to be free of coercion about what they should or should not do, want, or think. Perhaps that way, for instance, young girls won’t be swayed to purchase labia dye by the very industry that profits from inflicting them with a poor self-image, y’know?
By the way, all these conversations between KinkForAll participants (not “members,” since there is no such thing as KinkForAll membership), including the one you used a one-word quote of me in, are all publicly visible. Rather than get yourself worked up on factually questionable or severely sensationalistic material, I invite you to read the conversations I have about this yourself. I’m actually relatively boring if you’re willing to listen before you pass judgement. :)
On a personal note:
When you likened me to the things I revile, you hurt me deeply (wouldn’t that hurt you?), so I thank you for your apology, and I gratefully accept it. I urge you to consider the possibility that you were not the only person who was incited to an “emotional scream” from reading whatever it is you read about me, although perhaps you are one of a fewer number with enough integrity to retract a personal attack after making it.
With that in mind, I hope that when you see others so eager to cast blame and throw stones based on what they think they “know,” as you almost did, that you stand up with a calm, brilliant voice of reason and remind everyone involved to take a deep breath. That would be truly heroic.
Again, if you’re going to leave the previous post up, it would be heartwarming if you could at least include a link to the sources that incited your remarks as well as a link to this post (or even directly to this comment), so that you empower future readers of your blog to follow the trail themselves instead of taking solely my word or yours on the issue. Give a man a fish versus teach a man to fish, and all that; enabling your readers to make up their own minds about the issue by providing links to source material would be grand. :)
Anyway, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for considering me in a less furor-driven light this second time around. Please don’t hesitate to reach out to me if you’d be interested in having a more in-depth dialogue. I’m very easy to find online, and I’d welcome your voice in whatever conversations I have in public spaces.
Cheers,
-[“maymay”] :)
Update (March 25, 2010): This morning I awoke to find that my comment on Marie’s post was published and a rather thoughtful reply was left. I think it’s so worthwhile that I’m going to republish it here, along with my as-yet-unapproved reply to her reply (which I’m thinking will be the last in the thread from me for now).
[“maymay”],
Thank you for your reply.
First, I would post a link to the source whence I garnered this information, but it came to me in an email format, which I have sense deleted. (I’m rather fanatical about clearing my inbox.) I have attempted to find the article online, but have been unsuccessful thus far.
I did actually read most of the information on the KinkforAll site. I can, in one sense, appreciate that you and others desire to see people educated on the topic of sex and sexuality. Realistically, I think that this is something that everyone, on all sides of the topic, can agree upon. I, for one, when I have children, would like to see them be comfortable with the fact that they are sexual beings.
However, I son’t think what we have deemed as “education,†on whatever end of the spectrum, really IS education. I don’t think it’s enough to tell someone, “Don’t have sex†without telling them why that’s a good idea, and nor do I think it’s enough to say, “Do what you want†without addressing the pitfalls.
As I said before, I’m not a perfect person, and I do realize that what I wrote was littered with ranting toward you, which I am sorry for. On my end, I just feel incredibly frustrated. After accepting the grace so freely offered my by Christ, I began to see very clearly that all the things I’d been told about sex – again, on whatever end of the spectrum – had quite clearly missed the point. “Don’t do it†with not explanation leads to rebellion or shaming. “Do whatever†leads to heartbreak. That has been my experience.
I think that we are sexual beings, yes. This means that our sexuality is part of everything – body, mind, heart, soul. I don’t think we can separate, hard as we might try, the one from the other. I think we have done ourselves a great disservice in trying, and in taking sex from the private sphere and injecting it into the public.
I don’t mean having honest discussions about sex and sexuality in a safe environment. Frankly, I also think this issue has a lot to with a lack of personal responsibility regarding parenting. Children shouldn’t be left to the devices of the world around them to learn about sex. What I do mean is the constant bombardment of images, messages, etc. about how to do it, when to do it, how to look when you do it, what’s good, what’s bad, and so on. I feel that KinkforAll has contributed to this barrage. That’s likely something that we’ll just have disagree on.
Again, sir, thank you for your comment.
My reply to Marie’s comment follows:
Hi Marie,
More briefly than my last comment, as I don’t want to overstay my welcome on your blog, let me just say that I can wholeheartedly understand the frustration you describe because I feel a lot of it, too. As an aside, one of the things that helped me start thinking about why everything I was told was so off-point was this essay by Dr. Marty Klein, called “Censorship and the Fear of Sexuality.” I highly recommend it.
I began to see very clearly that all the things I’d been told about sex – again, on whatever end of the spectrum – had quite clearly missed the point.
Exactly. EXACTLY. I’m so glad to hear you say that because I agree completely. As hard as it might be to believe, my involvement with the KinkForAll unconferences were born out of my desire to see my “end of the spectrum” do a better job of actually educating about sex and relationships.
I think we have done ourselves a great disservice in trying, and in taking sex from the private sphere and injecting it into the public.
I don’t mean having honest discussions about sex and sexuality in a safe environment.
May I ask, then, what do you mean? And also, what do you think “inspiring conversations about the intersection of sexuality with the rest of life” refers to at KinkForAll unconferences, which expressly and strictly disallow sexualized acts, if not, y’know, having honest discussions about sex and sexuality in a safe environment? Maybe what some people are imagining isn’t what happens there and maybe watching some of the many video recordings from KinkForAll unconferences would better arm you with knowledge than reading text on a web site, even the KinkForAll web site. (In light of our conversation about “what we’re told about sex,” I would recommend this talk: On Dichotomies That (No Longer) Jail Me.)
In other words, I am generally of the opinion that to think freely, we have to be able to speak freely. The solution to “bad speech” is never censorship, but rather more speech. That’s why I’m so frightened by the attacks the Salvation Army has made or incited from well-meaning people like you, and possibly others still to come; those sentiments don’t inspire conversation, they incite violence whether physical or emotional and they absolutely, definitely, shut down the opportunity for honest dialogue.
Anyway, yeah, that’s why I don’t understand the vitriol with which the Salvation Army has attacked me, and why I’m frightened that there are so many people less civilly mannered than you. I hope, of course, that you’ll help inspire conversation and civil behavior when you see the opposite happening.
Thanks also for trying to find the source you quoted. If you ever do find it, I’d be happy to see it linked on these blog posts. And of course, you know where to reach me; consider my door always open to you. Always.
Although Marie can’t find the source, I did learn that on March 20th, two people by the names of Margaret Brooks and Donna M. Hughes published a defaming bulletin about me that cites KinkForAll Providence heavily, so I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that these are the same alarmists I referred to before. The bulletin is on a web site misnamed Citizens Against Trafficking. It should, at least in this instance, be called “Citizens Against Sexuality Freedom and Discussion.” (I move to rename and will from here on out refer to the group as CASFD. Again, no link love. You can find it with Google.)
To Margaret Brooks and Donna M. Hughes: I personally invite you to speak with me by replying to this post or the Open Thread I posted a while back. That invitation stands at least until before you call me “dangerous to the community” or publish similar sentiments a second time.
To provide a bit of context for those that don’t know, these are the same people who barricaded Megan Andelloux, also named in the bulletin, from opening The Center for Sexual Pleasure and Health a few months back. Megan presented a talk about the issues surrounding the opening for The Center at KinkForAll Providence, which I encourage everyone to watch, below.
Sex Panic in Pawtucket – KinkForAll Providence from maymay on Vimeo.
When Megan Andelloux wanted to open the Center for Sexual Pleasure and Health in Pawtucket, RI, “freaked out” residents barricaded her opening for 5 months and the local police threatened to arrest her. At KinkForAll Providence, 1 week after Megan’s education center opened, she gives a talk about the “sex panic” that swept the state and captured national headlines. Megan tells of a University of Rhode Island professor who waged a “war” to stop her from educating adults about sex, how locals demanded that “we should outlaw sex!” and how she fought for your sexual freedoms—and won! Learn more about Megan Andelloux at http://OhMegan.com and about the Center for Sexual Pleasure and Health at http://TheCSPH.org
Update (March 25th, 2010): Marie took down her original post today. To wit, she wrote:
I have decided to remove the original piece that I posted here, and encourage those of you who may read this blog to peruse the above listed article for yourselves, as well as doing other research.
The “above listed article” Marie linked to is the bulletin published by the Citizens Against Sexuality Freedom and Discussion (CASFD), that I mentioned earlier. This confirms my suspicions about the sources of these attacks. Again, I challenge Donna M. Hughes and Margaret Brooks (shown below) to actually reply to this Open Thread.
As an aside, I do wonder why “Margaret Brooks” is much more easily findable on Google as “Margaret Landman.” Perhaps ‘Landman’ is a maiden name. Or a pseudonym. You can Google for these people as well; that’s how I found the pictures.
Update (March 27th, 2010): Those following this conversation may find my next blog post, titled Addressing Donna M. Hughes and Margaret Brooks’ concerns over KinkForAll unconferences, worth reading.
by James
24 Mar 2010 at 19:45
Maymay. Goodness. This all makes me want to give you a big hug and feed you a hot home cooked meal. Nothing like a good soul being put upon to bring out my nurturing instincts.
Look. I know you don’t need it, and I have no reason to think that you’re even interested in it, but the way you have stepped up done the bigger, harder thing with this has earned you a great deal of respect and admiration which very, very few people elicit from me. To be able to, so recently after such a terrifying attack, reach out a hand of reconciliation and even alliance on the issues you both feel strongly about, this puts on display the best of what human nature has to offer.
The other point which I believe is worth making is that there ARE alliances to be formed between our wing of the radical left and Marie’s wing of devout Christians. We can agree that child sex slavery is an abomination worth fighting against, we can agree that “wives reduced to playing porn in the bedroom, because their husbands aren’t aroused without it” is a fundamentally inappropriate attitude toward sex, we can agree that the rampant over-consumerism which manufactures society’s desires and perceived needs is an evil which needs to be stopped. (Somehow the rest of society doesn’t get this stuff.) In terms of actually political activity, our arm of the left and her brand of Christianity agree on most of it! If, for the few fundamentals that these groups really don’t agree on, Marie’s assertion that “we can disagree, and that can be okay” can really become actual practice (before we go spewing hate-mongering all over our blogs) a powerful new coalition capable of breaking modern politics from the stranglehold of extremists could emerge.
That’s why I’m so impressed with you Maymay. You saw through your fear and her anger well enough to see the commonality that you two share. You reached out, not backing down, strongly defending yourself, and not attacking her, rather finding where ya’ll could agree and building from that. This is, in my opinion, the most important attitude anyone who wants to effect meaningful positive change can have. You set an example for the rest of us, and remind us of what we can be at our best.
Thank you, on behalf of all of us.
by maymay
24 Mar 2010 at 20:03
I couldn’t agree with you more. :)
That’s my hope from here on out! I don’t know if KinkForAll is the thing that’ll bring us to a place where we can actually agree to disagree and let that be okay, but it was certainly a real-world manifestation of my first step to make that reality.
In fact, that very language was precisely the phraseology used in the discussion thread that Marie (probably ignorantly) alluded to in her first post. One excerpt from that email I sent to the KinkForAll mailing list back in October, 2009 reads as follows:
So, yeah. I’m well aware of that facet’s importance and that, fundamentally, is what I’ve been so loudly insisting that KinkForAll never loses.
Thanks, James. :)
by Furry Girl
24 Mar 2010 at 20:52
I just have to insert some levity here and say, “three cheers for middle school dropouts!” We turn out so well, we uneducated sex predators.
by Aida Manduley
24 Mar 2010 at 21:16
My initial comment wasn’t approved because it was on the old post, but I basically was correcting all those factual inaccuracies as well. :)
Anyway. Good post, old chap. Keep rocking it. Wish I were seeing you this Spring Break!
by Lorelie
24 Mar 2010 at 21:54
Being scared and angry and still standing up for what you believe in is called courage. You’ve got in spades, bro. ;)
by Jeff Mach
24 Mar 2010 at 21:58
Sooo….
I assume you have all the support network you need.
But if you need help, support, financial assistance in hiring a lawyer or other self-defense… I and mine would be glad to help, if help you’d like.
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by Ashley
24 Mar 2010 at 22:38
So I read this about 2 hours ago and didn’t allow myself to comment, because in that moment I was more then tad annoyed and half of what I would have said probably wouldn’t have actually conveyed how I feel about this and the last thing you need at the moment is me ranting. But I’ve cooled off a bit and I’ll give it a go now:
You’re an amazing person, anyone who follows your blog or listens to Kink on Tap knows this. And the fact that the IAST is going after you is completely baffling to me. They aren’t unknown to me, since I’ve been following the issue and I actually feel rather passionately about it myself, but I see no correlation between Kink for All/Kink on Tap/YOU and the sex trafficking trade at all.
If anything you strive to empower young people so that they don’t fall prey to the many intricate issues that can and will lead to the abuse of power the IAST is so against. You’d think they’d be thanking you; the fact that they’re openly degrading you and scapegoating you is disappointing to me and I’m frankly feeling slightly disillusioned with them.
As for Marie and your response, she is a very good example of why as a Christian I’m often almost ashamed of my own faith and an extremely poignant example of why I ran from the south like my head was on fire. Our leaders and the people who shout the loudest have a tendency to react emotionally first without checking facts,and although she did herself a service by admitting that it was an emotional response and not a factual one I still don’t think it’s okay. You do commendable work and I’ve always found you to be intelligent and eloquent in a way that I envy, which your reply is just further evidence of.
So finally I suppose I’m trying to say I’m sorry this happened, I’m sorry that you’re being slandered when you don’t deserve it, I have no words to convey just how much their actions have angered and disappointed me. I honestly wish I could convey the amount of respect I have for you as a person, because they were fundamentally wrong and if I could force them to see that I would. As it is, all I can say is I’m sorry, and if I could hug you I would because after this debacle you certainly deserve one.
by Stilllearning
25 Mar 2010 at 00:50
You are a beacon of light, inspiration and sanity in a world which without the leadership you provide may slip to dark hatred, war and crazy fanatical doom. I am so proud of you.
by lissy
25 Mar 2010 at 02:32
Maymay when I grow up I wanna be just like you!
by Sarah
25 Mar 2010 at 10:43
Maymay, I love and support you in all that you do.
Thank you for being here.
by Erin
25 Mar 2010 at 11:25
Shit. I’m so sorry to hear about this. Excellent, excellent response, though. I hope that she reads it and takes it to heart.
by Shanna Katz
25 Mar 2010 at 12:39
You are so strong, so thoughtful, and doing so much for sexuality education for people of all ages.
Please let me know anything I can do to support you in this.
-S
by Beka
25 Mar 2010 at 13:08
Actions and responses like this (not Marie’s, but the initial bulletin) are part of why I lost faith in the Christian church and leaders, and have since begun pursuing my own beliefs on religion, sexuality, politics, etc. instead of simply accepting what I was told.
And, to put it quite plainly, it was people like you who gave me the courage to question the faith of my childhood and the beliefs I’d held. So THANK YOU.
I can’t begin to express how angry and hurt I am on your behalf. You are an amazing person striving for amazing things, someone who I respect and look up to despite never having met, and to hear those things being said about you and the work that you do (even if it was retracted after, in the case of Marie’s first post) makes me physically ill. Or maybe that was the questionable sour cream I put in my macaroni. >.>
Seriously, though, you are an amazing person, and while you obviously know that you’re doing a good thing, I’ve found that having people reaffirming things you know about yourself can be empowering, so: You are doing a wonderful thing. Don’t let the censors and the fear-mongers stop you.
by Maja
25 Mar 2010 at 13:52
May, I’ve known you a long time. I’ve seen you struggle, I’ve seen you aspire, and I’ve fumbled through offering support when I could. You’re fighting the good fight.
But this particular iteration… Your patience, clarity, and commitent to fostering constructive communication is truly excellent. It’s a victory in so many ways.
I am so fucking proud of you, May. A toast to you, please, when I see you next.
by Heliotrope
25 Mar 2010 at 15:08
You know I love you. You know how proud I am. This is a comment so that other people who come here will know that I love you, and that I am so very proud and inspired. Always have been, always will be.
by Rose/yarnivore
25 Mar 2010 at 19:23
You’re so brave and strong and doing such an amazing job of responding calmly and thoughtfully. I think I’d be in a very different place — you’re an inspiration.
Much love, and promises of future warm hugs —
— Rose
by Maria
25 Mar 2010 at 20:24
Maymay,
I nearly wrote you a private email of support in reply. Instead, I will post it here, where it belongs.
As always, you amaze me with your continued interaction with the world as if the world were the place it ought to be. More than anything, that actually makes the world the place it ought to be. A world in which I want to live, and a world in which I want to raise my children.
As a gesture of support, and because I can’t think of anything else to do, can I send you cookies? It’s the thing I know how to do.
Love,
Maria
by Sannse
25 Mar 2010 at 20:40
Wow, this is horrendous. To see your honest, open, and courageous campaigning portrayed in such a twisted way is heart-wrenching. I just want you to know how much I admire you, you are an amazing guy.
by Dae
25 Mar 2010 at 22:56
I don’t have much to say that hasn’t already been said, but – what people do with incomplete, out of context, and plain incorrect “information” continues to horrify me. Your response to the attack was and is an example of civility and openness that I think many of us can learn from.
I admire you, and everything about what you’re doing.
I hope that one or both of the misguided people who perpetrated this attack do come here and read. Maybe they’d leave having learned a few things… and if nothing else, perhaps some manners and a sense of human decency.
by Agatha Tanin
26 Mar 2010 at 06:25
Maymay,
How awful that this would happen to you! However your intelligent and gracious response proves you to be the more enlightened person.
Lots of hugs to you!! (And we should meet up at some point- I miss you!)
Aggie
by aag
26 Mar 2010 at 09:54
“…what people do with incomplete, out of context, and plain incorrect “information†continues to horrify me. Your response to the attack was and is an example of civility and openness that I think many of us can learn from.”
So true.
I would not have been so level-headed, I fear. You have my admiration.
As the mother of children who are all curious about sexuality, I want to give them education *and* the means to discern helpful from not-so-helpful information. I’ll be happy as a clam if one day their colleges hold similar events which they can attend and make up their minds for themselves how the information presented fits into their view of the world.
Thank you MayMay.
by Laura
26 Mar 2010 at 14:26
Just wanted to say a{{{big hug}}} from a regular (and very grateful) MSA viewer. I’m incredibly impressed that in such a short time, under such stressful circumstances, you have crafted such measured, thoughtful and generous response.
You’re a wonderful man, maymay. Thank you.
by lalouve
26 Mar 2010 at 16:42
Maymay, I might not always agree with you (so far I have, but I’m assuming I might not always), and I think I count as a devout Christian (apart from the standard discomfort with referring to myself that way). Yes, we do share an agenda: that of sex not being commodified and commersialised, but a true expression of our selves and a respectful connection with anyone else involved (regardless of how fleetingly) in our sexual lives.
by A "heartwarming" girl
26 Mar 2010 at 20:13
Wow. The world needs more people like you, Maymay.
Things like this are exactly why I’m so glad KFA and similar projects/concepts are around. And also why I still feel compelled to keep my identity a secret. Because even though you were the one she was ranting at in that first post, I was implicated (as if it were a crime) too. I’m that DC high school student who came to KFADC. And the fact that I was even mentioned scares the hell out of me – I can only imagine how much worse it is for you. I’m glad that I took off my name tag (which had my real name) before I gave my talk, though it saddens me to say so. But I’m still really glad I came, and participated, and talked.
If I’m around for KFADC2, I’ll come back and bring friends. Because what you’re doing, what we’re doing, is the only way to fight the tides of misinformation and suppression that still think some people don’t have the right to information.
Welcoming minors to discussions about sexuality does not make you a pedophile. It just means you understand that sexuality is not a switch that magically flips when you reach the age of majority. Like Marie mentioned, there are still 14 year olds getting pregnant. Withholding accurate and complete information doesn’t help anyone.
So thank you. Thank you for being a model of a responsible adult citizen. Thank you for showing them that meaningful dialogue is possible. Someday, probably once I’m 18 and have a few more legal rights, I hope I can learn to be as brave as you. I hope we can all learn to be as brave as you.
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by Maybe Maimed but Never Harmed › Addressing Donna M. Hughes and Margaret Brooks’ concerns over KinkForAll unconferences
27 Mar 2010 at 15:37
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by Voleuse
28 Mar 2010 at 10:25
Hey maymay,
I just want to say that the picture involved in all this (posted on Male Submission Art) is a beautiful one. How people confuse this picture (obviously radiating love) with something awful, is beyond me.
All the best, Voleuse
by bigolpoofter
28 Mar 2010 at 11:53
Maymay,
I am proud to know you and admire your unwillingness to pay homage to the ideologues masquerading as academics equating your activities with unspeakable violations of human rights. While I, too, do not wish to constrain the legitimate actions of real academics, the screeds issued by Hughes and Brooks seem suspect under common terms of use for academic networks and may diminish the reputation of such secular institutions.
by Elizabeth
28 Mar 2010 at 12:27
maymay,
I just left the following comment on Marie’s “Deep Breath” post. Thank you for pointing me to it, and thank you for modeling such open and honest exchange of ideas.
by Ari
29 Mar 2010 at 09:28
It’s striking how carefully and thoroughly you responded to her, and engaged her point-for-point, eventually leading her to see a more thoughtful and enlightened position. I am awed that you did it so respectfully while she could see no goal but tearing you down.
Love, support, and much admiration,
Ari
by OrlandoC
30 Mar 2010 at 09:34
Wow, MayMay, I want to add a thirty-first or whatever gasp of admiration for your integrity and courage in dealing with someone who was lashing out at you. I think that kind of response is almost too much to expect from anyone in your position, but it is always the most direct to actually moving past these absurd conflicts.
Bravo.
by sharktooth
30 Mar 2010 at 12:04
That’s an absolutely horrible attack. (*hugs*, if you want them?)
Also rings some bells, though. The anti-sex trafficking movement is largely a descendant of the old feminist anti-pornography movement, and they really, really loved publicly and repeatedly slandering outspokenly kinky people as paedophiles. (The Wikipedia article on the Feminist Sex Wars has relevant links from the time, or at least used to. Yes, their slanders made the press and everything.)
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30 Mar 2010 at 23:05
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[…] doubt aware by now, over the course of the last week I have been shocked into reluctant action by vicious insinuations of criminal behavior written by Donna M. Hughes and Margaret (Barber) Brooks likening me and the work I do supporting community-based sexuality education initiatives like […]
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06 Apr 2010 at 01:39
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06 Apr 2010 at 10:04
[…] pretty terrifying to be the subject of an attack on the Internet. You can read MayMay’s account of what has happened thus far. And it’s pretty easy to “take out-of-context statements and blend them with […]
by Nancy Green
11 Apr 2010 at 11:58
I was a member of the Rhode Island Coalition Against Human Trafficking but left because I was unhappy with the direction it was taking. Eventually, the Coalition itself left Donna Hughes’ agenda.
I was surprised that Prof. Hughes targeted the Center for Sexual Pleasure and Health, and I went to Pawtucket City Hall to support Megan Andelloux in her successful appeal to the zoning board—
http://kmareka.com/2009/12/01/no-satisfaction-from-the-zoning-board/
by maymay
12 Apr 2010 at 11:19
Thanks for commenting on this post, Nancy.
I’m familiar with Donna M. Hughes’ opposition to the Center for Sexual Pleasure and Health because, as mentioned in this post, Megan Andelloux gave a short talk about her struggles to open her sex education center at KinkForAll Providence. Both Megan’s CSPH and the KinkForAll unconferences where she spoke are very education-focused spaces and they both deal directly with issues of sexuality.
May I ask, what do you think is Donna M. Hughes’ agenda? As others in this thread and many in other threads mentioned, both as a concerned citizen and as a university professor, it seems counterproductive for her to target environments that promote sexuality education.
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13 Apr 2010 at 10:58
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15 Apr 2010 at 11:04
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[…] The Lessons. So now, what are the lessons we draw from BDSM stereotypes? Well, there are a lot — female dominatrixes are the enemy, sadists ought to kill themselves, etc. — but the most obvious is the abuse thing. As Freud, Alice Schwarzer, Nancy Friday, and tons of others have said or implied: “everyone knows” that kinksters wouldn’t be into kink we weren’t traumatized. This stereotype is not only emotionally difficult for people like me to come to terms with; it contributes to serious social problems for kinksters like sex activist maymay, who recently fielded scary accusations of pedophilia from the Salvation Army. […]
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23 Apr 2010 at 12:57
[…] hardworking Chairperson, Aida Manduley, have been repeatedly criticized by certain alumns, notably Margaret Brooks, who, along with Professor of Women’s Studies Donna M. Hughes, published numer…. Therefore, SHEEC put together this somewhat academic-styled panel to discuss things. Moreover, and […]
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[…] hardworking Chairperson, Aida Manduley, have been repeatedly criticized by certain alums, notably Margaret Brooks, who, along with Professor of Women’s Studies Donna M. Hughes, published numerous … are criminals. Therefore, SHEEC put together this somewhat academic-styled panel to discuss things. […]
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28 Apr 2010 at 11:24
[…] scandals, stigma — Clarisse @ 12:23 pm Maymay, the brilliant BDSM activist who was recently attacked and labeled a pedophile on the Salvation Army’s human trafficking email list, has drawn my attention to another lovely little initiative from Citizens Against Trafficking: […]
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28 Apr 2010 at 14:42
[…] Twitter, or if you’ve been following my Google Reader shared items, you probably know about the accusations made by Donna M. Hughes and Margaret Brooks against the KinkForAll conferences in ge…. I’ve shared many of maymay’s posts, re-tweeted many of his links and comments, and […]
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29 Apr 2010 at 20:06
[…] thinking of all of this, I cannot help but be reminded of my friend maymay and the recent attacks made against him by Citizens Against Human Trafficking. Â Maymay, a strong sex-education advocate […]
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08 May 2010 at 16:19
[…] and myself, have been the targets of recent politically conservative smear campaigns painting us as though we were sexual predators and human traffickers, among other […]
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14 May 2010 at 10:04
[…] and some subjects make life more difficult for bloggers than others. Blogging about sex, or even sexual education, can cost a blogger a job, or their good reputation. Even their freedom can be at […]
by Earthquake
19 May 2010 at 21:33
(re your latest comment on Twitter) I agree it must be frustrating when general indignation about this extremely personal and frightening attack “dies down” and moves on to the EF pagerank theft (annoying but not as personally threatening). Just TWO of the amazing ways in which you are working to make safe and honest space for all of us…
I am profoundly grateful for both and will try to think about what I can “give back” – likely not as well written as yours though.
by The Beautiful Kind
30 May 2010 at 07:27
Hey we’re in the same club! When I considered having sex in a kid’s room, I got accused of being a pedophile, see comments:
http://thebeautifulkind.com/columns/tbk-saga/loving-room
In response, I wrote this post on why I am not a pedophile:
http://thebeautifulkind.com/columns/tbk-saga/pedophilia-funny-bone-sexuality
I think people who wildly leap to conclusions are projecting, and doing it out of fear. I applaud Marie for thinking more on her feelings and reaction.
by Sue
23 Jun 2010 at 00:27
maymay, I was just checking in on your blog after being mostly internet-awol and was horrified to see this entire situation. I haven’t read the follow-ups yet, but just had to throw my 2 cents in – kudos. I’m as impressed as everyone else is at your intelligent, rationally calm response. I see red in a blind rage when I see people propagating the same sorts of sex=fear=evil mentalities that cause sexual repression which then turns into negative sex experiences. The irony of creating what you fear is not remotely humorous in those situations. And too many of us are too afraid to be labeled “bad” in repressive atmospheres.
So you deserve endless applause for your courage (where courage isn’t a lack of fear, but acting even though you are afraid), and I’d like to throw my applause into the mix.
with much respect, Sue
P.S. you can’t hear it, but I’m applauding.
by maymay
23 Jun 2010 at 00:35
Thank you, Sue. I appreciate your “endless” applause because, while I hope I’ll live to see the day when sexual repression is no longer a valid currency, this situation is far from over.
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03 Oct 2010 at 05:45
[…] write under a pseudonym—[…] maymay, who blogs at maybemaimed.com—and he’s been personally attacked for it. He’s lucky because he has an easily freelanceable job in a highly kink-tolerant field […]
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29 Oct 2010 at 20:57
[…] of my critics seem to think that I do. (Actually, that’s their fault, too, considering the enormous amount of time I spent managing attacks against me.) I hope someone’s getting off on it, because I’m […]
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13 Dec 2010 at 18:04
[…] maymay talks openly, honestly and intelligently about sex and is the creator of Kink On Tap. In his own words, he works to “[empower] sex-positive activists and educators to put together low-cost, high-value, fast-paced, user-generated sexuality conferences called KinkForAll unconferences.” These conferences operate on the belief that sexuality affects all aspects of life; they are open to anyone who has an interest in learning or contributing to an open and safe discussion about sexuality. The Initiative Against Sexual Trafficking, which is a tremendously misleading title when you really just begin to dig into the ideology that surrounds this group, sent out an email to their mailing list subscribers painting maymay as a child molester, a sex slaver, and a “nightmarish creature.” They described the KinkForAll unconferences and thus sex-positivity as a whole as “slimy, putrid, decaying, nasty, trash.” This is seriously wrong. […]
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09 Jan 2011 at 19:55
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07 Feb 2011 at 18:50
[…] readers will no doubt be familiar with Margaret Brooks who, early last year, all but flat-out accused me of being a sexual predator (and worse). Later that year, she wrote an op-ed for the Chronicle of Higher Education wrapping a […]
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26 Feb 2011 at 20:14
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30 Mar 2011 at 12:36
[…] So here’s how we can frame the censorship versus free speech problem: On the Internet, even if your content may not be illegal, if you can’t find anyone to host it, link to it, or bill for it, it may as well be. In exactly the same way as Julian Assange is being called a “terrorist,” not a journalist, Galileo was being called a heretic, not a scientist. And in a fascistic world where such ludicrous stigma is treated as dogmatically-enforced fact, since I’m a “sex†blogger discussing sexuality a lot online, they call me a “pedophile.†[…]
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09 Apr 2011 at 01:17
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26 May 2011 at 00:48
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24 Oct 2011 at 07:37
[…] The Lessons. So now, what are the lessons we draw from BDSM stereotypes? Well, there are a lot — female dominatrixes are the enemy, sadists ought to kill themselves, etc. — but the most obvious is the abuse thing. As Freud, Alice Schwarzer, Nancy Friday, and tons of others have said or implied: “everyone knows” that kinksters wouldn’t be into kink we weren’t traumatized. This stereotype is not only emotionally difficult for people like me to come to terms with; it contributes to serious social problems for kinksters like sex activist maymay, who recently fielded scary accusations of pedophilia from the Salvation Army. […]
by Robin Dunn
02 Nov 2012 at 16:16
So, hi Maymay! I don’t know if we’ve ever talked about it personally – though conversations you’ve had with Alyssa may have covered this – but I would like to state up front that I do take issue with how you’ve handled some privacy issues.
However, I have to admit that reading this makes me feel…mmm…a lot of solidarity with you. Not that anyone Rebecca is this fond of could be all bad. And I do also still remember and appreciate you thanking me for “bringing so much of (myself)” to KFADEN. Of course I was unaware of the local controversy at the time. Anyway, I’m glad you found a reasonable person to have a conversation with. I wouldn’t hold out any hope for Donna M. Hughes. Or for the woman who called me a pimp once, Stella Marr. You know, despite having had one. Yeah, I’ve tried…she is…well, an ideologue. Is probably the kindest way to put it.
I have a friend who was being attacked by Donna Hughes specifically a long while back (before all the Rhode Island stuff) and had perfect success in getting her to stop with a cease and desist letter. Just, yanno.
Anyway, thought I’d drop by and say hello.
by Robin Dunn
02 Nov 2012 at 17:04
Me and Israel’s talk about sex work was really good I think. Because we presented such different experiences but we have a lot of commonality of ideas, and also he and I are personal friends and care about each other. And, well, I actually knew a lot of the audience personally as well, or at least had seen them around. So we were able to have a good conversation. Like a conversation among friends would be. I do wonder sometimes if that talk scared Rachel unnecessarily about sex work though (was she there?). I did tell her later I thought she would be fine (she’s not hurting, financially or otherwise, and she loves sex including with men, why not) and gave her safety advice. And now she’s off living her dream or whatever, which is great.
by Robin Dunn
02 Nov 2012 at 18:43
Of course I would advise anyone about safety. And try to do that and help in efforts to do that (i.e. with Hartcore/Street Kids for Social Change) as much as possible locally. :)
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