That word gets bandied around a lot: “community.” It’s a stupid word. It doesn’t mean anything unless you define it, and since everyone has a different definition of what it means, you always have to define it. Which means you can’t ever use it and trust that what you say is what other people hear.
So, here’s my definition: “community” means a group of people who regularly interact socially within the same routines, typically at the same places, and often for the same purpose.
One example of a community? The group of people who go to sex-themed events and all know each other, who jump into one another’s conversations like they’re in a circle-jerk. You know the ones I’m talking about: divas at fetish parties, celebs at fundraisers and galleries with $75 a head admissions tickets, munches at those same ridiculously overpriced eateries, the coffee house whose owner is kinky and everyone always suggests meeting there.
I fuckin’ hate that community.
Now, since dem’s dere fightin’ words, let me define “I fuckin’ hate that community.”
When I say that, I don’t mean that I’d like to see that community destroyed. I think it’s got a certain value that’s really beneficial, especially to certain narrow slivers of people, and certainly to society at large. What I mean is that these social groupings incite within me an emotional response of such strong dislike that my feelings demand some kind of action.
Recognizing the value in something that I hate put me in a very difficult position for a very long time.
I remember a long, long, long time ago—a lifetime ago—when I was in New York City and a regular attendee at TES meetings. Elections were coming up and I had a lot of gripes about the way things were. The only two people I’d happily call friends at the time urged me to run for the board. I flat-out laughed at the ridiculousness of the suggestion.
“But you could do such good here,” they said.
“I don’t care about doing good here,” I replied.
And can you blame me? In the mid 00’s, TES was (and I’d put money on the table saying it still is) a sanctimonious pile of human dung whose board, it seemed, existed more so that its members can score play partners than actually do anything good for “the community.” And I don’t say this out of inference alone.
I remember—vividly—the very first “play party” I ever went to. It was in downtown Manhattan, at a converted dungeon space called Arena. I was 18 at the time, although I lied and said I was 21. I went with my then-partner, who went by the scene name “Cookie,” and who, several months earlier, I had introduced to the whole BDSM sex thing with a significant amount of trepidation using this book. (I even wrote a review of it the following year.)
At the party, a rotund man by the name of Bo Blaze, who Cookie and I had met a couple weeks earlier after he made a beeline for her at the first TES meeting we attended (where Boymeat and Luna were demonstrating flogging), sat with me at the back of one of the play rooms. He told me about how there were “wolves” in parts of the Scene, how things could be dangerous for newbies who didn’t know their way around, and how people like him—people respected in the community—were there to offer guidance and support around the whole subculture.
I knew part of that’s true; Cookie and I purposefully entered the Scene together, as a couple, with (readers familiar with me will be amused to know) myself as the dominant partner (“switch”) and she as the submissive. That half-pretense (we both switched with one another because we both leaned more heavily submissive) was specifically a protective mechanism for us, and for her especially, because by the time we joined we had both been reading enough bulletin boards and mailing lists and other material to know that certain social protocols were followed with a D/s couple—protocols like checking in with the submissive person’s partner that felt, to us, like they would offer some additional measure of safety—that would be missing with submissive-only self-presentations.
Months later, I realized that Bo, with his superb ability for social manipulation and, I should point out, as he often did, highly respected status as a TES Board Member, was not in fact interested in helping guide us—Cookie and I—through the subculture but rather merely interested in scoring playtime with her. Over the years, I heard him give the same exact speech, complete with “wolves” warning, to numerous other young couples that joined. And he was a shitty, do-little Promotions Chair, too, I heard from folks who worked with him. But that’s neither here nor there.
Cookie received her very first flogging at that party (yes, from Bo) and left the party feeling like she was on cloud 9. I left feeling fruitlessly optimistic, having had what amounted to an awkward conversation, but was described as some kind of mental play involving closing my eyes and talking. (Myself, Bo and another new-to-this-Scene-but-not-to-The-Scene woman named Alessandra were talking, and when she said she was a top, Bo took the opportunity to pair us and went to play with Cookie. Both feeling a little put on-the-spot, I think, Alessandra and I did the talking thing instead of any physical thing. Fair enough.)
For her part, Cookie, who had a thing for “Daddy” play, ended up his “little girl.” We broke up after she stayed the night with a smarmy NYU would-be journalist named Julian who, she told me on the phone the next day, started out wanting to play with her in a dominant role and then switched tactics mid-way through their scene and wanted her to top him. Typical douple-speaking douche-bag.
Cookie’s relationship with Bo soon fizzled in a relatively amusing fashion wherein she called me for some support, having recently moved to attend an out of state college. She was dating Boymeat at that time, too.
I’m reminded of all this because she called me recently, wanting to know if I’d sit down with her for an hour and talk about our past. She’s writing a book about it, she tells me. No, thank you, I told her, “that’s not a time in my life I want to recall memories from.”
So, I don’t think very highly of “the community.” Or perhaps more precisely, of “The Scene.” I think it’s putrid.
Yet it’s been completely inescapable for me because What It Is That I Do simply has zero visibility anywhere else. And so I’ve noticed a peculiar trend: when speaking with someone who considers themselves part of “the community,” I’ll hear something like, “Oh yeah, I know about Kink On Tap.” Or, as happened recently, “It’s hard to have a serious discussion on the femdom scene these days without someone mentioning Male Submission Art[…].” This is often a through-the-grapevine conversation, heresay from one person to another until it finally reaches my ears.
I think that’s peculiar because I haven’t put one iota of concerted effort into cultivating a listenership to Kink On Tap or a readership for Male Submission Art from within the Scene. I’ve frequently gone so far as to completely ignore and downplay promotional opportunities within that sphere. And yet I keep hearing these phrases from people who go to those community parties and events: “Oh yeah, I know about Kink On Tap.”
I guess that’s because I had roots there; I suppose this means people there know of me, even if they don’t know me. And maybe some of the things I’ve said even made some kind of positive impact I’m not around to witness. And that’d be great for would-be future me’s.
But as long as I’m doing this laying-myself-bare thing, let’s get one thing perfectly fucking straight: nothing I’ve ever done was for the Scene or the people in it. Not. A. Thing. Maybe that’ll help explain why I didn’t give a flying fuck that TES publicly made fun of KinkForAll New York City when it happened: none of it was ever for you. (See also: Scene rant.)
So who was it for?
Like I said more “nicely” the other day, it was all for the people who think they would like to be part of your self-satisfied circle-jerk with you. I used to want that. Now I know what a farce it is. I don’t give two shits about doing “BDSM community PR” work, to use Thomas’s phrase, a fact that made the anti-sex contingent’s attacks on me all the more ludicrous.
So, “community?” A fucking joke—sometimes literally. Fuck the community. I’m not interested in making those places better. I’m interested in making everywhere else better. And fuck, I wish more of you in the “community” cared more about that, too.
But I was right not to hold my breath because, as I said before:
[T]here is a fallacy, a lie, a self-protective disgusting self-consolement that the sex communities tell themselves to comfort themselves and hide their own massively, outrageously discriminatory practices[…]. And that lie is that those people simply “didn’t find the right space for them,†“wouldn’t fit in here anyway,†or some such bullshit. […S]ex communities do a fucking piss poor job of making it okay to want those things, and that in fact, sex communities are mostly filled with self-contented, complacent, lazy people whose actions make it clear they care more about getting their own lay than making it possible for other people to connect to them, or with others.
by Sarah Sloane
27 Nov 2010 at 05:16
I’m sorry that you had the experiences in the (what I usually refer to as) the pansexually identified bdsm community. I’ve had ’em too. I have found the “take what you like, change what you can, leave the rest” attitude to be the most appropriate way for me to move within that community, when I choose to do so.
However…that community saved my life by giving me a stepping stone to other communities that make a huge difference to the world. The community of sex educators who focus on helping people grow and love themselves. The queer community that has helped me understand and refine my voice, and begin to grasp the effect that my privilege has on both my ability to make changes and my ignorance about the depth and breadth of those changes. The community of activists (which is how I found your writing, by the way) who works to enable change in small and big ways, to try to make a real and lasting difference in the world.
You did, however, promote Kink On Tap to the pansexual bdsm community, knowingly or not. Your Twitter feed is read by hundreds of people in the kink community, you invited guests who identify as members of that community, and you generated at least three or four tweets each week to let people know about it in a kink-centric context. It may not have been consciously targeted to that group, but when the guests are widely known members of said community – that’s who you’ll get as listeners.
I believe in your work, and I enjoy reading your insightful (and sometimes painful for me to consider) posts and tweets. I have been frustrated, though, because so much of it feels angry, and I get the feeling that – in previous blogs, and in this post – you’re saying that the people who read & listen to you are “less than”…myself included. My own knee jerk reaction reading this – because that community you describe is one that has (and does) support me in my work in other areas – is that it is my work that has no meaning, it’s my own sexuality and community that is invalid. If that’s what you want for some readers to walk away feeling – then so be it; you have that absolute right. I’m saying this because if that is not the reaction you intend for some folks to be getting, perhaps letting you know that it’s how I’ve been feeling may give you that information.
by maymay
27 Nov 2010 at 05:27
Like I said; I think the Scene has a certain value. I’m glad you think it saved your life, Sarah. I believe in your work, too.
I wouldn’t call “the queer community” the same thing as the “pansexually identified BDSM community,” though. I’m not sure how you could possibly conflate the two, either, but whatever. And seeing as how I never said your work has no meaning, I’m surprised that you would come to that conclusion. But I’m also done catering to other people’s ears instead of my own mouth. That’s why the nice filter is gone.
As for promoting Kink On Tap to the pansexual BDSM community, just plain rubbish. The fact that my Twitter feed is read by hundreds of people in that community—which you incorrectly describe as “the kink community”—doesn’t mean I promoted to them. My speaking and their listening is not the same action. Again, you make the same fundamental mistake that so many other sexuality-community-aware individuals do. None of this is for you. It’s expressly for the people who aren’t in those communities. The ones whose lives are yet to be saved by part of them.
And yeah. I am angry. I’ve been angry since I started this blog. And I blame a big chunk of those negative experiences on the community that you say saved your life. You get to make of that whatever you will. But please do consider how radically different our experiences seem to have been, and ask yourself why that was, and ask yourself how many other people like me there are out there who don’t have the hundreds of twitter followers “in the kink community” that I do who feel similarly and just can’t make themselves heard to those hundreds of people.
by Sarah Sloane
27 Nov 2010 at 05:36
Clarification: I said that the bdsm community was a stepping stone to the community of sex educators, the queer community, and the activist community, not that it was the same as.
The rest, your opinion, I’m not going to reply to. It’s your opinion. I don’t share it, and I think that you probably did a lot more of changing people’s opinion in the pansexual bdsm community than you realized.
by maymay
27 Nov 2010 at 06:03
Point taken.
Awesome. Clearly, it hasn’t been enough.
by Charity
27 Nov 2010 at 10:22
I’ve had very positive experiences in “the scene” and some very shitty ones as well.
And now I have a post to point people to, when I need to explain the shitty ones.
Thank you.
by Charity
27 Nov 2010 at 10:27
Thank you for this.
It’s good to have a link to give people, when I cannot articulate, myself, the things that make me uncomfortable about “the scene.”
by Lilac
27 Nov 2010 at 11:27
I imagine it’s hard for the community to be, simultaneously, both desire-based social sphere and a positive, accepting space for all.
It’s not a neutral ground for discussion because those who go into discussion spaces also go to play spaces, and the social/sexual dynamics of the latter colour the former.
The Community, like any subculture, is full of fallible and ordinary human beings (also wonderful ones). I’m sorry you had these negative experiences – and I appreciate that you’re out to ‘make everywhere else better’, ’cause What It Is That We Do is for all of us.
by maymay
27 Nov 2010 at 14:11
I’ve long said that “parties make horrible inter-community spaces.” (Actually, Lilac, there’s still a draft post by that name sitting in the bowels of this blog.) But, more recently, I’ve begun to think that this tenet can be safely expanded to “eroticized spaces undermine group support structures.” Although I think the poly crowd would rightfully argue with me on the wording there, so this articulation may require more thought.
Thanks. I think you’ve hit on the money, so to speak, with that last phrase: What It Is That We Do is for all of us. You might really enjoy this video of a KinkForAll Boston presentation on “Defining ‘Kink'”, whose end references the “for all” in “KinkForAll” very poignantly.
by Susan
01 Dec 2010 at 16:14
I cannot tell you how amazing it was to read that.
About a year ago, I moved to a city with a BDSM scene. I was thrilled. I was still reeling from an abusive relationship with a dom that had ended several months previous, and I assumed that a community would provide some kind of safe space in which to talk about that, and find some resources for dealing with it. I hoped that it would be a self-policing kind of environment, in which predatory behavior was not tolerated, and newcomers were warned about safety – physical, mental, and emotional.
Okay, in retrospect I can see that I was way too optimistic. I could tell that that was true the first time I logged on to fetlife. I could not have imagined, though, that this would be a community that discourages talking about abuse and many kinds of safety. I was once at a particularly nauseating discussion group for submissives in which someone asked about safewords, and nearly the entire table (maybe 15 people) laughed at them. I have not gone back to that group. In fact, the only non-play event I’ve gone to since was a talk on abuse in BDSM in which audience members made such thoughtless, callous jokes (and were not asked to stop making them) that my friend and I left about twenty minutes in.
And yet. Unfortunately, I’m a big exhibitionist, and so play parties are still pretty important to me. I’ve painted a pretty unforgiving portrait of the community here, but there are several people in it that I like and trust (most of them, unsurprisingly, on the periphery with me). I also appreciate how much of it is volunteer-driven, and how much effort and expense some people are willing to invest in order to keep most events free or cheap.
So, yes, there is a lot here that’s clique-ish, exclusionary, and harmful, and I wish it would change. I won’t be living in this city much longer, though, so I’m just going to have to let it go, and decide what lessons to take with me to the next place. I love that you’ve created this alternate safe space on the internet; it helps. Once I’ve found my footing in the next place, I’m going to see what I can do about finding/creating/helping to maintain some space like this in the physical world, maybe even within the kink community. After all, my own kink pretty much requires that I be a part of it, however marginally. Might as well not feel like shit, right?
Again, thank you.
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by lalouve
03 Dec 2010 at 04:30
I found some varieties of bdsm communities and I’m uncomfortable in all of them, so far. Mostly this has to do with expectations of traditionally feminine behaviour in all situations that are not explicitly eroticised, and with constant boundary violations. I get enough of that in my daily life, I don’t need it in my bdsm community. It is refreshing and depressing, simultaneously, to read this, and realise that perhaps it’s not just that I have trouble fitting into social communities, but that something might be wrong with said communtiies.
by Katie
05 Dec 2010 at 20:15
LOVE this post. I have had some of the most racist and sexist experiences of my life in supposedly accepting kink communities. As a woman of color, I can’t tell you how isolating it feels to be part of the majority white organized kink scene in my area. I have cautioned many a kink-curious friend to check out the scene for the information it provides, rather than the people for whom it provides a social network.
by Will Leone
08 Dec 2010 at 11:52
Thanks so much for taking the time to post this; the comments are also greatly appreciated! Rather than detail how they helped me to rethink community and belonging, I’ll briefly highlight what I think community and belonging should be. While the above post & comments give good reasons for rejecting individual communities, I strongly believe that a specific form of community is not only desirable, but a political necessity.
This ‘supportive community’ is centered around both ethics of care* and a principle of specificity**. An ethics of care revolves around human dignity, truthfulness, and consent: human dignity that rests on empathy and respect for the sacredness of human beings; truthfulness that demands contextualized explanations intended for true understanding rather than simply barring lies; consent that requires a clear ‘yes’ rather than the mere absence of a clear ‘no’. A principle of specificity simultaneously ties the ‘support community’ together and minimizes its exclusions by rejecting homogeneity as the basis for community. In other words, a supportive community takes ‘mutual care’, rather than ‘similarity’, as its foundation.
Intimate and erotic relationships are worth the effort needed to create and sustain them, and the same holds true for supportive communities. (Such communities are, after all, dependent on intimate relationships.) Furthermore, desire-oriented, supportive communities are both possible and critically important. For these communities, both an ethics of care and a principle of specificity are especially crucial- so crucial that they should be regularly discussed within the context of the community (and not just among staff members). Any attempts to normalize members must be addressed and critically examined both by those who have been consequently hurt as well as those who were more fortunate. After all, a supportive community’ is an ideal that we will never fully reach, but must nevertheless motivate us to continue stretching ourselves just a little bit further each time.
I hope that this formulation of community provides a useful template for people to work with. Let me know if you have any questions, remarks, etc.!
*Here I draw on Nordenstreng & Christians (2004), as well as Easton & Hardy (2009).
**Here I rely on Arlene Stein’s “politics of specificity”.
by maymay
08 Dec 2010 at 11:58
Don’t get me wrong: I agree that a “supportive community” is something valuable and even necessary. But again, don’t get me wrong: what I am saying is that the overwhelming majority, if not all, of the currently established sex communities are not what they claim to be, under your very thoughtful definition, and it is not their failure to be perfect that I am calling out, it is their nauseating hypocrisy of claiming to be something that they are not.
by Molly Ren
08 Dec 2010 at 16:01
I agree with this and don’t agree at the same time. I am having a hard time teasing out thinking about the scene as a huge entity vs. my own personal experience, so I’ll just start picking here:
“You know the ones I’m talking about: divas at fetish parties, celebs at fundraisers and galleries with $75 a head admissions tickets, munches at those same ridiculously overpriced eateries, the coffee house whose owner is kinky and everyone always suggests meeting there.”
No, I don’t.
I don’t deny that it exists–there are some parties here in DC I see advertised where they demand everyone wears fetish wear and charge $75 a head and I just shake my head. I’ve never been to one. The usual party I go to is easy for me to get to by Metro and is $20. The usual munch I go to is free and we seem to be pretty honest about the fact that we’re there to socialize, have a drink, and sometimes make out with each other, rather than to educate. I’ve often felt *socially* terrified in these settings (“OMG, what if I ask him to play with me and he SAYS NO?!?”–yup, I am not very mature sometimes), but I’ve never felt physically unsafe. The one guy who got a leeeetle too up in people’s grills was kicked out. My “scene”–what I call a “scene” and “community” and some of my friends call “family”–mainly happens in private parties and in bedrooms and at the local bar and online.
This doesn’t mean there aren’t people in “my” scene who are racist, or sexist, or greedy or lazy or just there to get laid (I am sometimes the last one. No, actually, I am ALWAYS trying to get laid and sometimes have to work to think of other things.) There are people like that everywhere, just like there are cliques in every group who rallies around a particular social interest. (I remember Mollena writing something about how BDSM is a microcosm, not a utopia.) The people who are offensive I either try to educate or move away from socially, but their numbers are not so overwhelming that I feel like everywhere I go is tainted with “scum”.
I feel the need to say this because sometimes I can’t tell when you write whether or not you mean every scene everywhere is fucked, or just the more formalized ones, like TES and Black Rose. Your post has made me think about whether there’s enough space between sex ed and getting laid in many formalized BDSM spaces, and I’d agree with you that there might not be any formal BDSM organization that does that.
To try to further work out what is wrong, seeing sex as a thing to academically study seems to be part of feminism more than BDSM (feel free to contradict me.) I’d risk getting flamed to say that the attitude I’ve seen more often in BDSM (and that I myself sometimes come from) is that the rest of the world is so hostile to even the idea of sex that going to an event and *not* making it a focus is Just Wrong! It makes you the Enemy, not just someone who is Against Fun & Hedonism. The difference between you, May, and many other people in “the scene” is that you no longer see simply getting to *have* sex as radical when many people do. I too feel like there’s opportunities to do more that we’re missing, but that may have to wait until the rest of the world catches up and is better about sex in general.
I have sometimes felt left out–I remember you trying to commiserate with me when I tweeted “I’M AT A SEX PARTY AND THE ONLY GIRL GETTING TIED UP IS PRETTY AND NOT ME”. That might have been the a result of a pocket of suck or problems in the scene as a whole. But the truth is the DC scene is the ONLY place where I’ve felt *mostly* accepted, vs. high school, college, and other groups, where I felt like I could never be accepted *at all*.
Maybe it’s time I wrote a blog post about this? Or a master’s level essay.
by Augustin
08 Dec 2010 at 19:40
I am clapping for you.
by maymay
08 Dec 2010 at 20:43
Respectfully, Molly, the fact that your social circle “mainly happens in private parties and in bedrooms,” makes it a “clique,” not a “Scene,” which explains why you seem not to know what I’m talking about. And that’s fine. Good for you.
Now realize that most people don’t have that, and you’ll see where the overwhelming majority of people, including myself, are coming from.
No, the difference isn’t that others view getting to have have sex as radical and I don’t, the difference is that I care about systemically enabling people not already fucking to feel good about getting to fuck—and not necessarily with me. Because, for the record, the radical thing about me in comparison to the people you mention is that I actually value sex acts less than they do.
The irony is that the people I think you’re referencing lionize sex to such a degree that they actually do real harm through its communal manifestation. And, to borrow a line from Gloria Steinem, “A pedestal is as much a prison as any small space.” Why should this not be true of sex itself as it is for women generally?
Your “pocket of suck” is most people’s “a day in the life.” If you don’t viscerally understand that, for whatever reason, at least acknowledge that it’s a possibility, and accord the people who say that it’s true for them the respect of not having their own experiences further minimized. Perhaps if more people felt comfortable expressing this personal truth, fewer people would question the existence of the problems and offer some more space to make things better for everyone.
by Will Leone
08 Dec 2010 at 21:04
I totally agree, maymay. (^_^) What I am calling for here is a radical change in the very concept of community, as well as in the way existing communities function. It is worth actively challenging these communities to make decisive decisions that will bring them closer to embodying these core essentials; if they refuse to change, then it is time to form new communities.
by Will Leone
08 Dec 2010 at 22:11
Just to clarify, I was responding to the post immediately following my first piece (the 11:58 post). But I also concur with maymay’s 20:43 post. Just because a community does some- or even a lot of- good doesn’t excuse it from the wrongs it commits or the exclusions it enacts.
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by Jane
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I’m glad you wrote this. I have experienced the most racist and elitist behavior from scenesters in my BDSM pansexual “community”. I’ve been involved in many other communities throughout my adult life (women’s communities, volunteer communities, activist communities) and not had the same non-inclusive, standoffish, manipulative, unwelcoming attitude I have had from the BDSM pansexual community. I and my submissive male (yes I am a dominant female and he is a submissive male) spend our time in the gay BDSM community because we are both bisexual and surprisingly enough (bisexuality and the gay community has its own discussion) both welcome there. Our dynamic is respected and we as people are welcomed.
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