Of the many questions that often come up when discussing BDSM are questions concerning the distinction between consensual sadomasochism and self-harm, or self-mutilation. This is not surprising because, from the perspective of an onlooker and especially when taken out of context, many masochistic behaviors like knife play look similar to arguably unhealthy behaviors such as (self-injurious) cutting. However, the reality is that the two activities are no more the same thing as a car and a horse; both cars and horses can and are used to move matter from one physical location to another, but the similarities pretty much end there.
Perhaps predictably, this very topic was raised in a question posed to the “BDSM 101” panel that I participated in at last weekend’s Western Regional LGBTQIA Conference at UC Berkeley. On the panel was Sloane Soleil, a self-identified switch who notably enjoys heavy masochism. In her introduction, she disclosed that she had a history of cutting, prompting an anonymous question from the audience.1
Unfortunately, to respect panelists in the closet, no recording devices of any kind were allowed, so I can’t remember the question in its own words (nor can I perfectly remember anyone else’s words). The gist, though, was something like this, paraphrased: “As someone who has a history with cutting, do you ever feel uneasy about seeking to satisfy your masochism in BDSM play or worry that what you’re doing is self-harming again?” That question was possibly the best one we received and I felt disgruntled by how little time we were given to discuss the topic.
As all great questions do, this one betrays an understandable ignorance coupled with eager curiosity. Sloane answered first, since the question was directly addressed to her, and she asserted the oft-repeated notion that she had no trouble reconciling her history of cutting with her interest in engaging in BDSM as a bottom because in the former case she was working through personal mental issues while in the latter she was simply seeking pleasurable experiences.2 Other panelists jumped in after her, most of whom were simply reiterating Sloane’s assertions in their own words. Dean, a fellow panelist, made the point that one’s mindset while self-harming is typically self-destructive to the body (and thus unhealthy), while one’s mindset in doing BDSM is not (and thus not unhealthy).
These answers may be valid for the individuals giving them, but they are murky at best. Dean’s point in particular borders on incomprehensible because masochism is by definition a desire to engage in activity that is violent to one’s own flesh.
The issue with both the question and the answers others were giving was the failure to acknowledge the necessarily collaborative nature of BDSM play. This was a point I made on the panel, although perhaps not as clearly as I could have. “A top requires a bottom, and a bottom needs a top to play with,” I said. Another panelist, Lola Sunshine, immediately took issue with my statement by offering the facile and contrarian assertion that “you can totally do BDSM on your own.” She then offered numerous examples of things she thinks is “BDSM on your own” such as self-suspension.
Once again, however, a core distinction was being repeatedly and ignorantly obscured. While I agree that a panel such as this was, to quote fellow panelist Maggie Mayhem, “a sharing of deliberately different experiences with ideas side by side,” it clearly does no “good” and potentially can do a significant amount of “bad” for a representative of the BDSM community to actively obfuscate important facets of BDSM, a topic they are presented as being not merely knowledgeable about, but expertly so. My objection to Lola’s disagreement was not an attempt to win a debate, as Maggie implies, but to illuminate where and how the question’s premise was flawed, and nowhere is such an attempt more pertinent than an expressly academic conference about sexuality.
If and only if “BDSM play” is understood specifically and exclusively as the experience of physical sensations does the question and the aforementioned panelists’s answers make sense. However, every experienced BDSM’er worth their weight in salt understands and should be able to articulate on an academic panel that BDSM can not be wholly understood as physical sensation alone—something Dean almost accomplished. As the panel facilitator was giving Lola the last word, I interjected, “It’s the same as the difference between (conventional) sex and masturbation.” I felt deflated because I was worried I was not understood.
To understand why self-harm has nothing to do with BDSM, there are two separate issues that need to be treated separately. The most obvious one, and the only one I felt was even recognized by others on the panel, is whether or not self-harm or BDSM is unhealthy. That’s an important question, but ultimately a distraction. The other issue, the one I was trying to bring to light, is far, far simpler yet goes even further in destroying the silly idea that BDSM is somehow an expression of self-harm.
To posit BDSM as self-harm (or, “self-abuse”), a position often advanced by anti-SM folk who like to capitalize on the fact that many BDSM’ers (including me, I’ll say publicly possibly for the first time) have a history of self-harm, is as ludicrous as saying masturbation is rape, not because masturbation is either negative or positive but because masturbation is necessarily a lone act and rape is not. Both BDSM and rape—regardless of any moral entanglements—necessarily involve multiple people. Self-harm, on the other hand, is by definition solitary.
Recall, for example, the process of negotiation and its importance to a successful BDSM scene. Even the very word “negotiation” underscores the involvement of more than one person. When viewed in its full capacity, BDSM play is an interactive social process in which players come to an agreement regarding their physical and emotional boundaries.
If you have some personal interest in BDSM, you may be able to find more examples from your own experiences. How many times have you “gone through the motions” during pickup play and ended the scene feeling unfulfilled? How many times have you tried flogging your own back, or spanking your own ass, and found the experience rather unmoving? If you’re anything like me, you probably felt like someone out of a Monty Python movie. Further, if such self-play is done in a public setting, most likely a club, then even lone acts become necessarily collaborative. How many times have you heard of tops and bottoms “enjoying the energy of spectators” in a dungeon?
Even where self-harm features in pop culture depictions of BDSM (such as in the movie Secretary), the two acts are markedly distinct.3 While it’s certainly the case that one can do bondage on one’s own, as Lola said, only the misguided argue that “having orgasms on one’s own” is the same as “having sex”; while the physical results may be similar in both circumstances, these are clearly different behaviors, possessing different motivations, and are approached in many different ways. Likewise, no matter the similarities BDSM acts and bodily harm may appear to have to uninvolved onlookers, it is obvious that they are different.
While we can (and many do) argue ’til the cows come home over whether or not self-harm is unhealthy, and we can likewise argue over BDSM, we would have to be ignorant or insane to argue that the two are similar.
- Audience members were given the opportunity to write questions anonymously on pieces of paper that were then collected and read to the panelists. [↩]
- Again, I’m paraphrasing from memory, so my apologies for any misrepresentation. [↩]
- In Secretary, Maggie Gyllenhaal’s character is fantasizing about James Spader’s character and tries spanking her own ass, but is disappointed by the result. [↩]
by Angie
08 Mar 2011 at 23:14
The whole point of BDSM is the power exchange, yes? The specific kinks and toys and such are tools used to accomplish or express it, but the power exchange is the heart of it. Without someone to exchange power with, it’s not BDSM. I’m having a hard time understanding why this isn’t obvious to anyone who’s even peripherally into the practice. :/
Angie
by Siggy
09 Mar 2011 at 00:56
I’ll offer the perspective of someone who saw the panel without knowing much about BDSM beforehand.
When the question about self-harm came up, I immediately suspected it was one of those common ignorant questions asked of BDSM. Sort of like when people ask if bisexuals need threesomes to be happy. Sloane’s response kind of confused me, because it sounded like she was confirming the connection between self-harm and BDSM. My thoughts were, “Oh no, she must not have much experience explaining this out loud”. But I thought Dean’s response was good as damage control.
When the panel discussed whether BDSM can be solitary, that just went over my head. I mean, I understood what was being argued about, but I didn’t really understand the arguments either way. It sounded like a matter of definition: BDSM includes solitary play, or it doesn’t, or it’s ambiguous. The panel made it sound ambiguous, like different people have slightly different definitions.
The question is, what is the essence of BDSM? Is it ropes, floggers, etc. or is it the collaborative nature? I now think it’s the collaborative nature which is more important, but this isn’t immediately obvious coming from an outsider perspective.
by Wendy Blackheart
09 Mar 2011 at 06:41
This was discussed recently on the BME modblog (http://news.bmezine.com/2011/03/01/another-one-for-self-injury-awareness-day-or-is-it/) , on a post about the difference between mutilation and modification (specifically, about people who amputate parts of themselves). Amputation tends to bring the topic up, since many people, even those heavily modified in other ways, can’t see why someone would remove a perfectly healthy, functioning body part, and there is a tendency to react to it strongly one way or another.
As someone who has severely self injured in the past, who has and plans to continue modifications, and who likes kinky sex, this topic is of great interest to me.
I’ve always felt that the difference was the intention behind the act – I’ve had friends take an exacto knife to themselves to carve a gorgeous design on their leg – because he wanted the design there, because it was pretty, he made it, and wanted it on him. I took knives to my legs because I was filled with anger and self hated and lots of other not so great reasons I won’t get into here.
Whenever I’ve gotten a modification, it was a positive experience with well thought out reasons for doing so, and I felt really good about my choices after – and I still feel good about them. Same for whenever I went into a scene bottoming. Meanwhile, I still don’t always feel so great about the self injury, particularly when I notice scars I would rather not be there.
Now, there is some crossover here – I still can’t wrap my mind around watching a scarification (Scene or otherwise). I still won’t watch the Secretary or read the Piano Teacher because there is WAY too much triggery material there. And there was likely a point in time when my hurting myself and my playing with BDSM crossed over, but at least for me, all the acts were separate because of the difference in my intentions and outcomes.
I never really thought about the collaborative nature of a scene in terms of self injury and how I perceived it, in part because in my experience, I was rather remote and self involved as a bottom (for me it was more about personal endurance and endorphines and experience, rather than who I was playing with) but I can see that being a huge difference between self injury and BDSM as well.
by Beka
09 Mar 2011 at 08:19
I’ve struggled with self-harm, and I enjoy aspects of BDSM, and in some ways, they can provide very similar releases for me. I went through a bad patch a few years ago and in the middle of it I finally moved in with my wife (then girlfriend). I had struggled a lot with cutting before the move, and while I still did it sometimes after, my need for it dropped down. Because I had my girlfriend there and she would tie me up, or flog me, or tell me that I was not to move or make a sound while she proceeded to pleasure me very dedicatedly. The act of giving that control over to her, even for just however long we were in bed, was such a relief that my need to cut dropped.
Both the sex and the cutting were about control, in the end. The cutting was about a false sense of control over my pain and my depression. It made me feel like it was more manageable even as it spiraled out of control and perilously near to attempting suicide. The sex was about gifting the control and power to my girlfriend, if temporarily, and even that temporary loss of control was enough to help lift the burden of it.
I don’t know if I’ve explained that very well, but it’s the best I can manage. It seems a bit silly to say that “BDSM helped me manage my depression”, but that (along with the support I gained from living with my partner, and an improvement in my employment situation) did help to alleviate some of the overwhelmingness of it, which helped me come through it with fewer scars than I might’ve.
And I guess the whole point of this is to say that while I do still struggle with my self-harm tendencies even now, I don’t have a single problem with BDSM, because the mindsets of the two are so radically different.
by Kat
09 Mar 2011 at 09:42
Interesting take. I’m not sure, though, that you can so simply define BDSM as a necessarily shared activity. I know people who do play on their own, such as self-bondage and solo needle play; I don’t and don’t really understand the psychology of it, since it isn’t my thing, but I wouldn’t straight-up devalue their experience because it isn’t mine. I think *most* BDSM play is collaborative, but there’s a leap between that and “all BDM is collaborative.” So any model that will distinguish between kink and self-harm has to factor in people who play by themselves; the justification of “I need a top for it” only goes so deep, even if it fits *most* experiences. That’s why I believe the “different mindsets” model to be more effective.
by SnowdropExplodes
09 Mar 2011 at 18:35
The OP plus the comments have set me thinking and maybe there are several elements here?
The issue with self-harming seems to arise specifically from perceptions of SM play – bondage and power-exchange (D/s or M/s) really don’t seem to be relevant to any great extent.
Within that, we see two independent variables discussed. The OP talks about BDSM being “x does a to y”, so that there is a relational variable (an activity can have a situation where x and y are the same person, or x and y are different people). It sounds also as though the panel were thinking about an emotional variable – is the activity taking away something bad (or, filling up a dark hole), or is it adding something good?
There are then four possible combinations:
1/. Taking away the bad feelings, alone
2/. Taking away the bad feelings, with someone else’s help
3/. Adding the good feelings, alone
4/. Adding the good feelings, with someone else’s help
We recognise 1/. as self-harm. The OP focusses on 4/. as being BDSM. Some of the commenters have objected to this and want to include 3/. as BDSM as well. Based on self-reporting of BDSM’ers I know, and also based on personal experience, 2/. is also something that from time to time happens within BDSM relationships, and is where D/s and discipline can bleed into the SM structure.
Type 2/. then becomes “I feel bad, please punish and absolve me” (NB there is conceivably an unhealthy, non-BDSM version which might be rendered as “I feel worthless, please abuse me”). The relational element is crucial to the effect, I believe (I am not talking from any great knowledge here, just anecdata), such that self-harm cannot offer resolution because there is no outside person to provide the emotional context. In BDSM type 2/. the top provides several key aspects. Zie determines when it is enough; relates to the bottom throughout; is there for aftercare afterwards (such as cuddling); is there to tell the bottom “you are good/worthwhile”. (In the “I feel worthless, please abuse me” version, the top does not do these things, making it harmful and reinforcing the negative feelings.)
Although this does represent a “different mindset”, it’s not the difference that I see discussed most often in reference to BDSM vs self-harm (and it’s not the difference reported in the OP as being discussed on the panel) and it does hinge upon the OP’s theory of relational activity as opposed to self-stimulating activity. It is the presence of another, who can relate to the bottom and give concrete form to the meaning of the sensations, that changes it from harmful to helpful.
(I reiterate, this is just my personal view on the matter, derived from one relationship I’ve had and some anecdotal evidence reported on a few BDSM community sites I read)
by maymay
09 Mar 2011 at 19:39
Oy. What a rathole this comment thread has become.
I’m not discussing anyone’s personal experiences. Those of you discussing your own seem to be trying to understand the relationship between BDSM and self-harm as they emerge from within a single individual, possibly within your own lives; a self-help perspective on my post, so to speak. More power to you, but such an analysis is apples to this post’s oranges. And, more to the point, that is also clearly not the issue to which the anonymous question at the panel referred.
The question, and my post, addresses the representation of BDSM as self-harm, and I’m making an empirical, amoral rebuttal to why such a representation is baloney.
So, yes, SnowdropExplodes, there are indeed “several elements” in the comment thread, each mucking up the other.
No, Kat, “devaluing” experiences never entered into this. Also, by the way, “kink” and “BDSM” are not the same thing, so please don’t use them as synonyms.
Yes, Beka, BDSM and self-harm can provide similar releases, but it’s not “mindset” that set them apart.
No, Angie, the whole point of BDSM is not power exchange (it is the other way ’round; power exchange can be a point within BDSM), although you’re right that power exchange is necessarily different from self-harm for the exact same reason that BDSM is different from self-harm (i.e., collaborative/interactive/social).
by Wilhelmina
10 Mar 2011 at 06:04
Hm, interesting, I recently wrote a similar post about this topic (though my reasoning is different and not nearly as in-depth). While I’ve tried the self-spanking and self-bondage thing and not found it at all satisfying or even able to hold my attention, I think that, for some, it *is* satisfying. If you enjoy a specific physical sensation, does it really matter if someone else is doing it to you? For instance, someone I know pins clothespins along his arms sometimes because he likes the feeling. Having someone else there might enhance the experience somewhat, but it isn’t really necessary for him.
Anyway, I think the biggest difference between self-harm and BDSM is intent. BDSM can stem from love, or affection, or at the very least wanting to give/have an awesome and pleasurable experience. Not like self-harm at all.
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by the_lab_rat
23 May 2011 at 23:21
I don’t know that I would argue they are “the same.” I would, and will absolutely, argue that depending on the context, one can be superior to the other to some people some of the time.
“It’s the same as the difference between (conventional) sex and masturbation.†The difference being that orgasm can be more intense with less effort during masturbation than during conventional sex? Yes. Despite all scientific and anecdotal evidence to the contrary, it can be so. For many folks, in fact.
I enjoy an orgasm during solo masturbation without anyone in the room *because* there is no need to please, or perform, or abdicate control to another person. I can be “in it” for only me, without regard to others. There’s zero pressure during masturbation for me. I also enjoy orgasms during partnered sexual activity and in fact, enjoy a vast array of flavors when it comes to partnered sexual activity.
I see absolutely no reason to force a limitation on myself to conform to an either/or cultural “norm” where one is “good” and the other is “bad”. Sometimes a little self-love is awesome. Sometimes a little bumping o’ the bits is awesome. Why have one when you can have BOTH?
Likewise, I can absolutely enjoy painful stimulation all by my lonesome for the exact same reasons. I’m the one controlling the instrument of d00m. The pain is delivered on my terms (how, when, and where I want it) without concern for another person’s amusement or enjoyment, without ever having to abdicate one ounce of control, and without the need to give feedback. Why have one when I can have BOTH?
“But. Self-injury is harmful and bad for people and, and, and, and….” I’m sorry that folks have that issue. I’m sure self-injury to some is a very, very bad thing. It’s not for me. No, really. It’s not. When it comes to sex, I’m much like the “only drinks one alcoholic beverage per decade” drinker. It’s not a problem for me and I refuse to be told by folks in AA that I can’t drink because it IS a problem for them.
Sometimes, it is purely about the physical sensations. It is my opinion that “every experienced BDSM’er worth their weight in salt understands and should be able to articulate on an academic panel that BDSM” can, in fact, sometimes be about physical sensation alone and that there is no need to limit all perversion to the metaphysical, emotional, and psychological connection between two people.
A deeper meaning and an emotional connection to another person is no more required to enjoy perversion than nutritional value is required to enjoy cotton candy. Sometimes a fuck is just a fuck, sometimes a wank is just a wank, and sometimes an owie is just an owie. It may be all sorts of things to some folks, but to others.. it’s just shits and giggles and we’re doing because it’s fun and it harms none.
by maymay
23 May 2011 at 23:25
Thanks for sharing some of your inner dialogue, the_lab_rat, because that’s exactly what your comment was. You, like most of the others who commented, completely missed my point.
by the_lab_rat
23 May 2011 at 23:46
Since you’ll never in a zillion years find it, because I believe you are absolutely correct on the FetLife thing, I feel compelled to let you know I cross posted over on FetLife with appropriate linkage: http://fetlife.com/groups/1514/group_posts/1449162
by A
24 May 2011 at 11:22
“Both BDSM and rape—regardless of any moral entanglements—necessarily involve multiple people. Self-harm, on the other hand, is by definition solitary.”
I don’t really understand where you’re getting that BDSM necessarily needs multiple participants. Are you saying that people playing solo aren’t actually doing BDSM? Because… I, and many others I know, play solo and would bristle at someone telling us we aren’t actually engaging in BDSM. Because we are. This isn’t true for everyone, but that fact that it’s true for some makes this an odd assumption to make. Can you explain further why you think collaboration is inherent to BDSM?
by maymay
24 May 2011 at 12:33
Okay, since most of you apparently can’t digest long-form arguments, or else you apparently can’t read blog posts past where you personally disagree with some statement, I’m going to answer this one more time, and this time in little chunks:
As I said before, “If and only if ‘BDSM play’ is understood specifically and exclusively as the experience of physical sensations,” does BDSM not require multiple participants, but that is at best an incomplete definition of BDSM.
No, I’m not. Do you remember how a square is not a rectangle but a rectangle is a square? That one form of a thing (square) can be an item in a larger set of named things (rectangle)? While reductive, the analogy holds: doing solo (SM) play is not BDSM but when someone does BDSM they can be playing solo. However, that fact does not mean BDSM is self-harm. In mathematical notation, all three of these statements are true:
BDSM ≠self-harm
Got that much? Apparently this is a complicated premise for a lot of BDSM’ers, which goes a decent way to reaffirm how stupid I think most of them are.
I did, in the rest of the post you apparently stopped understanding mid-way through. But I’ll briefly rephrase: since BDSM is a sociosexual act, it is an experience derived from the interaction of multiple entities.
Remember, the point here is not whether solo SM play could be encompassed in what one might call BDSM—that was Lola’s facile derail in the panel—but rather whether or not BDSM is (could be correctly said to be) self-harm and, if not, what the distinction between the two things are. So again, this time in mathematical notation and (“in English”):
The questioner asked: BDSM = self-harm? (“Can BDSM be said to be self-harm?”)
Me: BDSM ≠self-harm ∵ “BDSM” = { solo SM, partnered SM }. self-harm = { solo activity }. (“BDSM can not be said to be self-harm because BDSM includes partnered SM play whereas self-harm is by definition entirely a lone act.”)
The derailment was: { solo SM, partnered SM } ≈ “BDSM”. (“But you can totally do BDSM on your own!”)
So, sure, you can “do BDSM” on your own, and the sky is also blue and that is not germane to the discussion. Now, that said, one more less-than-polite point I’ll make is the following:
Why I observe so many of you people so utterly miss the point of this whole post because you have this tired, knee-jerk “stop telling me my BDSM is not valid BDSM” reaction is something I have to chalk up to your resentment of having to defend your interest in your particular expression of BDSM, which is understandable but so fucking self-limiting and not at all what I’m about. I realize it’s hard to look at the world in new ways, but try. For the love of everything that is good, try.
by blu
20 Jun 2011 at 14:21
i am both into bdsm and i self harm. personally the difference is just intention, if im feeling overwhelming emotions i harm. inflicting pain for pleasure is generally more sexual and less about getting rid of unwanted emotions.
i would also disagree with what some of you have said in reference to bdsm being about power exchange. granted an aspect of that (the D/s and maybe even the B/D bit) is about power exchange, but the S/M bit is very much (for me at least) is about inflicting or recieving pain (im a switch btw). therfor i definitly think that you can practise self at least B/D and S/M, eg self bondage/suspension/flagellation.
then again there are so many complex emotions involved in all of it that it is all tied up together. plus it IS more fun with someone lse involved :P.
by Shenmue654
10 Nov 2011 at 23:13
Well, with excellent masturbation imagining skills, you can technically be BDSM alone. It’s just absolutely not fulfilling. Having an imaginary person to own you is not the same thing as having a real person to do the trick.
I always saw it as a question of almost wanting and needing that vaguely “abusive” element to be turned on. Of needing someone to control your actions, to be ludicrously confident, to drag you close to them and pull back your head. Only when you are in “danger” are you “safe.” It is very hard to turn me on without a certain cruel personality present in the proceedings. Yay submission! :)
If the person performing the violent action is a person you chose, even indirectly asked to do it…….it changes the game plan entirely. Suddenly searing pain can create orgasm, twisted manipulative speech becomes almost shamefully sexy. Saying “You belong to me” carries “I will protect you from anything with no exceptions” along with it.
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