This weekend, I’ve been participating in the Atlanta Poly Weekend 2012 (APW2012) conference.
Just like last year, I was bowled over by the conference organizers’ hospitality. Just like last year, the conference brought together some of the brightest and most passionate people to discuss polyamory and its relationships with other social communities, political and interpersonal ideas, and, of course itself. Just like last year, I’m having a great time on far too little sleep.
I’m extremely grateful to have had the privilege of helping set the tone for this years’ event as the Opening Keynote Speaker. I wanted to do the conference attendees, as well as the people who were not able or willing to participate in the conference, justice. To that end, my keynote was intentionally confrontational; I even (metaphorically) burned the conference’s logo (in my slides).
My keynote was an act—part seminar, part performance—I hoped would shine a white-hot light onto a topic too often left unexplored and under-valued at polyamory conferences, meetups, and other events I’ve been to. It’s a topic I’ve come face-to-face with in a painful way, thanks to my sudden awareness of how it’s been impairing my ability to have “polyamorous relationships.” And it’s a topic I knew would ruffle some feathers.
The immediate feedback I got from Billy Holder, APW2012’s General Operations Director, was unsurprising: “There were…mixed emotions….” That’s good. That’s useful. That’s the point.
I commend Billy and his crew not merely for putting together a conference, but for putting together a conference that welcomed and encouraged disagreement, confrontation, and curiosity. There are things I think they did badly, but I think most of these were caused by the structural issues I addressed in my talk, not from a place of intentional malice. Most of all, I think they did the most important thing extraordinarily well: they prevented their idea of perfection from becoming the enemy of good. And if that were the only thing they did well, and it sure isn’t, I think Atlanta Poly Weekend 2012 is offering an invaluable thing to all communities.
If this trend holds, I have no doubt next year’s Atlanta Poly Weekend conference will be invaluable, too.
And now, without further ado, following is a transcript of my Atlanta Poly Weekend 2012 Opening Keynote address. After I find some time to prepare them, I’ll also publish my slides, along with a video for you to download. Like all my similar work, this presentation is “open source†and Creative Commons licensed. Should you feel so moved, downloading it, using it yourself (including, since I can only be at one place at one time, literally re-presenting it wherever you wish and are able), redistributing it, or sharing it with anyone you think might find it valuable is encouraged. If you do any of these things, I would greatly appreciate it if you would link back to this page. :)
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My name is maymay. When I was a teenager, I ingested a poison that gave me an incredible power. The poison was a gift that, today, lets me perceive things many others cannot—and it was a gift that turned me into a monster. This is my story. This is how I learned about relationships.
Did you see the frightened ones?
Did you hear the falling bombs?
Did you ever wonder
why we had to run for shelter
when the promise of a brave new world
unfurled beneath a clear blue sky?Oooooooo ooo ooooo oooh….
Did you see the frightened ones?
Did you hear the falling bombs?
The flames are all long gone,
but the pain lingers on.
Goodbye blue sky.
Goodbye blue sky.
Goodbye.
Goodbye.My power is a gift; we all have one. I am grateful to have been invited to stand in front of you today to share this gift, this superpower. It’s what lets me create awesome, beautiful things. It’s what empowers me to empower others. And, at the same time, it’s what enables me to hurt people. People like you.
My power does not feel good. It is not light, or happy, or pleasurable, or comfortable. It is not nice, or loving, or fluffy, or soothing. But it is intimate, and when I use it, it will suddenly create a relationship between us that is strong, resilient, and unignorable.
If at any time during this session you feel you no longer want to be in this space with me, then remember that you are already empowered to leave. I won’t be insulted. I want you to prioritize yourself above all other people, because I want you to understand why putting yourself first is the key to putting me—and every other person participating in this conference, if not this amazing experience we call life—first, too.
I know that can sound, to many, as though it’s paradoxical. How can putting yourself first actually be putting me first, too? I’m about to show you. But, to see it, you have to be willing to feel uncomfortable with me.
Are you ready?
“Polyamory†doesn’t empower “Relationship Choiceâ€
- See Abe.
- See Belle.
- See Abe and Belle fuck.
- See Claire.
- See Claire and Abe fuck.
- See Belle and Claire fight.
- See Belle and Abe fight.
- See Claire and Abe fight.
- See Abe’s and Belle’s flight.
What happened here?
On page 61 of her book, What Does Polyamory Look Like?: Polydiverse Patterns of Loving and Living in Modern Polyamorous Relationships, polyamory educator Mim Chapman, Ph.D. describes this situation with a dramatization that will no doubt sound familiar to many of you:
Unwary couples can make a wrong turn on their way to forming an inclusive Poly-L Triad, and end up in a non-inclusive, Non-Triadic “V” by mistake. Two primary partners may have decided to open up their relationship, with the goal of forming an inclusive Triad[…].They commit to collaboration and egalitarian decision-making in choosing their new partner(s). Then one primary partner “jumps the gun” and does the old, “I see her, I want her, I take her, I commit to her.” After a few months, he brings her home to his primary, assuming the existing partner will immediately adore hot new love object and Poof, they’ll be a big, happy, inclusive Poly-L Triad.
Once in a while this actually works, but more often the response from the existing primary partner is something akin to “So what am I, chopped liver? Which head were you thinking with, and how did you manage to forget our commitment to egalitarian decisions about who we bring into our lives? What made you forget that we committed to working together openly in building family, and to collaborating in choosing people we both genuinely enjoy, who enhance both of our lives while we enhance theirs? We agreed that we’d work together in the initial process of getting to know a potential new partner and finding out whether or not there is an interest in joining both of us to form the Loving Poly-L Triad we long to create together. But you leapt over the fence on your own, buddy! You picked her, she’s yours, and you and she can pack up and move on down the pike, or at least carry your relationship elsewhere.”
I’m making this a bit more dramatic than it often ends up being, just to remind you that waiting a few more hours or days can be a good idea, in order to discuss the potential love with your primary partner.
While her intentions are clearly golden, Mim missed a critical concept, a concept so central it’s even encoded in polyamory advocates’ language: “relationship choice.†Can you sense what’s missing?
Let’s replay the situation, in “slow motion,†one frame at a time.
- Here’s Abe again. Now, Abe is a man. He’s a single individual. He’s represented as a single dot.
- Here, we have Belle. Now, Belle is a woman. She’s also a single individual, so she’s also represented as a single dot.
- When Abe and Belle meet, and possibly also when they “fuck,†a relationship is created between Abe and Belle. That relationship is represented as a line between the dots. This creates a structure called a “couple†or, more precisely, a dyad.
- Since Abe and Belle’s relationship exists before anyone else enters into the picture, we often also call them “primary partners.†Let’s call Abe “Primary 1†and Belle “Primary 2.â€
- Next, here’s Claire. Claire is a woman, like Belle, and as such is also a single individual, like both Belle and Abe. Therefore, she’s represented as a dot.
- When Claire and Abe meet and, again, possibly also “fuck,†a new relationship is created between them. This, too, is represented as a line.
- Since Abe already has a “primary†relationship with Belle, Claire is a “secondary,†and specifically Abe’s “secondary.†We’ll call her “A-Secondary 1.â€
This is the critical junction. This structural shape, as you may know, is called a “Vee.†Although the prototypical terms are words like “primary†and “secondary,†they are authoritarian, not structural. Therefore, in this vee, Abe is what I’ll call the apex—the highest level of hierarchy—while Belle and Claire are both terminals. When this happens, Belle and Claire are in a relationship, but neither they, nor Abe, know it yet.
This is the point when, in Mim’s dramatization, “one primary partner ‘jumps the gun’ and does the old, ‘I see her, I want her, I take her, I commit to her.’†In fact, the instant Claire met Abe, a relationship between Claire and Belle is created, regardless of whether Abe and Claire have been sexual with one another. In polyamory’s jargon, the word for this relationship is “metamour.â€
For those unfamiliar with the jargon, allow me a brief digression to expound on polyamory’s language.
Polyamory’s Fetish for Neologisms
The term “metamour†is a neologism, which itself, “is a newly coined term, word, or phrase, that may be in the process of entering common use, but has not yet been accepted into mainstream language.†It’s a combination of two words. “Metamourâ€â€™s prefix, “meta,†is derived from the Greek “μετά†meaning “self†and, in English, means “about (itself)â€. Its root is “amour,†meaning “love.†In a polyamorous context, “metamour†therefore means “love about love.†The term is an abstraction from the mainstream’s “paramour.â€
According to most English dictionaries, “paramour†is defined as…
(noun) A lover, especially the illicit partner of a married person.
…while these terms’ shared root, “amour,†is defined as:
(noun) A secret or illicit love affair or lover.
I love how polyamory appropriates terms about intimacy that, in mainstream use, carry a negative connotation and reframes them in a positive light. Here’s how the Polyamorous Lexicon redefines “paramourâ€:
PARAMOUR: (literally, par way + amor love; by way of love) 1. A married person’s outside lover. 2. A mistress—the unmarried female lover of a married man. 3. A nonmarried member of a polyamorous relationship.
Unlike mainstream language, which focuses almost exclusively on idealized sex acts, polyamorous language is filled with terms that describe the structure of nodes in relation to each other. For example:
- This is a “couple,†but can also be called a dyad.
- This is a “threesome,†but can also be called a triad.
- This is a “foursome,†but can also be called a quad.
As we add more dots to the graph, polyamory’s terminology becomes more ambiguous:
- This is an “intimate network.â€
If we examine polyamorous terms closely, however, we’ll sense an obvious deficiency: it focuses almost exclusively on the nodes, the dots in the graph and their structural position in relation to one another, but does not describe the intimate interaction itself. Polyamory does not describe the lines between the dots with any significant granularity.
Ironically, this deficiency is obscured by the way polyamorous people discuss polyamory, themselves.
How Polyamory’s Institutions Undermine Relationship Choice
If we succumb to contemporary polyamory rhetoric, in which “metamour†carries all kinds of behavioral connotations and poly-cultural scripts, Belle and Claire are now coerced to relate to each other “as metamours,†without ever consenting to have this kind of relationship. Neither of them were given a choice, asked for input, or even considered by the others. They couldn’t have been, because they don’t yet even know the other exists.
This coercion is subtle, and often justified by polyamory’s proponents as “a good idea.†It’s an oppressive behavior borne from the desire to be more loving, not less. I know this because I am guilty of hurting some of the people in my life in this way—and, very likely, so are you.
This systemic oppression has a name, dyadism, and it’s perpetrated in subtle and not-so-subtle ways by people with couple privilege. Sadly it’s a privilege most strongly denied by polyamorous people who have it. For the purposes of this talk, I’ll borrow heavily from John Bell’s work on adultism and define dyadism (and couple privilege) as:
behaviors & attitudes that presume people in a dyad are more important than others and entitled to act upon them without their consent.
In many of our experiences, the people with whom we have pre-existing relationships still claim certain “dibs†on us, and we claim certain “dibs†back, on them. In one way or another, especially in romantic entanglements, most of us are subtly told what to feel, told what to do, and told what to want. Even if a new person is welcomed into an existing relationship structure as an “equal,” it’s common to assume the pre-existing dyad’s relationship agreements are automatically enforceable on the new person, unless and until they are re-negotiated. However, for the most part, the polyamorous world considers this treatment of people acceptable because we were treated in much the same way and internalized the idea that “that’s the way you have relationships.â€
The essence of couple privilege is disrespect of individuals and individuals’ agency. Consider how the following statements are essentially disrespectful. What are the assumptions behind each of them? Do you remember having heard any of these when you were developing your polyamorous relationships?
- “You’ll really like your metamour.â€
- “Before you get involved with someone else, you need to check in with me.â€
- “You need to get along with my other lovers.â€
- “You need to meet all the people I’m involved with.â€
- “What do you know? You haven’t met her!â€
- “We have an agreement that we only date as a couple.â€
What most polyamorous people misunderstand is that the “metamour†structure in no way describes how Abe feels towards either Belle or Claire, or vice versa. That’s so important it deserves being repeated: a metamoric relationship is a structure. It is not a form of intimacy, or closeness, or even a kind of “togetherness.â€
The lines on these graphs are not about sex, or even love. What’s depicted in graphs like these is not (necessarily) an attempt by one person or another to behave lovingly or hatefully towards anyone else; interacting with other people is simply what happens in the course of life for a social species, like us. Once a relationship—of any kind—is established between any two given nodes in a social network, adding a third node automatically positions one an apex and the other two, terminals.
This same diagram, often used to describe sexual, romantic, or life-partner relationships, could just as accurately describe strong friendship, co-worker, familial and other kinds of social ties. In that case, instead of the lines representing so-called “intimate†relationships, they could represent a slew of other types. Perhaps Abe employs both Belle and Claire and, since Claire was hired after Belle, Abe trusts Belle’s work more than Claire’s. In such a situation, it is still accurate to describe Claire and Belle as structurally, if not romantically, equivalent to what polyamorous jargon calls “metamours.â€
Such “metamoric relationships†abound. They’re not limited to (sexual, romantic) polyamorous relationships. As a social movement, polyamory shines at articulating this deep understanding of conceptual structure—that is, the structure of ideas. The core of that is the metamoric relationship.
Metamoric relationships are so common, in fact, that the polyamory community is ethically obligated to relinquish its monopoly over them. Currently, the term is exclusively used to describe the identical positionality of two terminals to an apex of a person’s sexual or romantic relationship. But if we, as polyamory activist Angi eloquently said, want to “live in a world where we are free to choose whatever relationship structure suits us the best, without being made to feel that we are some kind of freaks or degenerates,†then we must make it okay to describe our co-workers, our siblings, and everyone else with whom we share a mutual relationship, as “metamours.â€
For instance, in the relationship involving Mish, my Work, and I, Mish and I are metamours. My Work is the apex, while Mish and I are terminals. The same is true if you replace me with Rebecca, or Alisa; in that case, Mish and Rebecca or Alisa are metamours in relation to my Work. The reason is obvious: they all have an influence on my Work. In much the same way, you—yes, you—and I are also metamours in relation to my Work because I created this presentation and you’re consuming it.
If we actually understood “metamour†like this, we could avoid the pitfall of privileging sexual or romantic relationships over any others, we could stop excluding asexual-identified people, and we could treat our relationships or commitments to our jobs, friends, and natural environment with the same level of importance we place on our sexual partners. Of course, you wouldn’t have to treat all these relationships as being of equal importance to you, but at least then you would be one step closer to making a self-empowered choice to place whatever degree of importance you want on whatever relationships you have, rather than be bound by pre-imposed cultural scripts that decree “sexual relationships are the most important.â€
If our goal is truly “equality in relationship choice,†we must stop privileging sexual(-romantic) relationships over others, or we will continue to undermine ourselves.
Whenever we use a label to describe one of our relationships, be it “wife,†“boyfriend,†“partner,†or, yes, even “metamour†we put ourselves into a box from which we must struggle to escape. That’s why, throughout this talk, I’ve been using the word “relationship†liberally. In asexuality activist David Jay’s words:
Describe a relationship as a “friendship” and people will make a set of assumptions about how important that relationship is in your life, how you feel about the person and what sort of commitments you’ve made to one another, describe it as “romantic” and you’ll get another set of assumptions [but] most of the time neither set of assumptions is very accurate.
[…]
I use relationship in the broadest possible way, the dictionary definition of “a connection, association, or involvement.” I have a relationship with my computer, the hydrogen and oxygen molecules in my glass of water have a relationship, so does a nine year old and her multiplication tables. “Relationship” describes the full spectrum from friendship to romance and then some, it gives people almost no room to project false assumptions about what kind of relationship you’re talking about, which is what you want.
Rather than relate to the idea of metamours as the generically useful concept that it is, the polyamory movement has institutionalized it to the point of self-sabotage. This is a dire mistake.
Making the mistake of institutionalizing “metamour†is part of what makes “polyamory†a failure in others’ eyes—and they’re correct to believe so. This mistake is part of what neutralizes polyamory’s ability to ground itself in its superpower. This mistake is a poison inside polyamorous communities.
Making the mistake of institutionalizing “metamour†is one way we, as polyamorous people, are still being controlled by The System (of kyriarchical oppression). Making this mistake is one way we, as polyamorous people, create communities that abuse other people. Making this mistake is one way we, as polyamorous people, are abused by the very communities we created.
Often, I hear polyamorous people decry opponents like social conservatives, polygamists, sexist unicorn hunters, and entitled, homophobic men. None of these things can stop polyamory’s superpower, because what polyamory has to offer the world is a superpower. But before we can understand our greatest power, we have to understand our greatest vulnerability.
Polyamory’s kryptonite—the one thing from our own world that can kill us—is not conservative activists. It’s not the one-penis policy, although that’s some seriously sexist, homophobic bullshit right there. It’s not even the institution of coupled marriage. Polyamory’s kryptonite is the institution of metamours.
When we think we need to behave “as metamoursâ€â€”however we were told metamours should behave towards one another—instead of simply as we choose to relate to other people in our lives, we’re no different than monogamous people trapped in heteronormative gender roles, traditional marriages, or worse. Relationship labels, such as “husband†or “wife,†along with the institutions they reference, such as “marriage,†destroy one’s freedom of relationship choice by coercing us to relate to the institution rather than the person.
Instead of having an actual, unique relationship with the person they married, most married men relate to their wife by “being a husband.†Similarly, instead of having an actual, unique relationship with certain people in their “intimate networks,†most polyamorous people relate to one of these people by “being a metamour.â€
These are fundamentally dehumanizing, frighteningly pervasive, and totally invisible patterns of behavior. That is, we do not even know we’re carrying them out. To understand why, it’s important to clarify the way we communicate about communication itself.
Communicating about Communication
Language is a superpower. It turns the impossible into the possible. Without the ability to describe an idea, that idea does not exist. At least, not for those who lack the power, or the language, to perceive it.
But the impetus, the force of that idea, does exist. Invisibly, it affects any entity sensitive enough to perceive what it knows it does not yet know. The impetus calls on that entity—be it you, me, or something else entirely—in an as-yet-indescribable way to realize the idea. It pulls that entity toward feelings, thoughts, and behaviors. There is no English word to adequately describe the inexplicable total consumption such an influence has. Therefore, I simply call it “the Work.â€
To under-sensitive others, the feelings, thoughts, and behaviors of their comrades are themselves inexplicable, as such behaviors are artifacts the Work manifested. However, to these under-sensitive others, such inexplicable behavior is frightening precisely because they don’t know its source; when something is invisible, one simply doesn’t register its presence, so there’s no reason either to fear nor explore it.
However, when we are confronted with behavior we do not understand, what was once invisible becomes visible—and unexplainable. Reactions to this experience are so common we have a word to describe those who confront us in ways we do not understand: we say they are “crazy.†We create a divisive binary: we are sane, they are insane.
Creating divisive binaries is a pattern of behavior that exists at every scale of human interaction, from the individual, to the societal. In his review of James C. Scott’s 1998 book, Seeing like a State: how certain schemes to improve the human condition have failed, Venkatesh Rao succinctly describes this behavior as “the rationalization of the fear of (apparent) chaos.†He outlines a recipe that explains why “a very predictable failure pattern keeps recurring†in almost all areas of human experience:
- Look at a complex and confusing reality, such as the social dynamics of an old city
- Fail to understand all the subtleties of how the complex reality works
- Attribute that failure to the irrationality of what you are looking at, rather than your own limitations
- Come up with an idealized blank-slate vision of what that reality ought to look like
- Argue that the relative simplicity and platonic orderliness of the vision represents rationality
- Use authoritarian power to impose that vision, by demolishing the old reality if necessary
- Watch your rational Utopia fail horribly
The big mistake in this pattern of failure is projecting your subjective lack of comprehension onto the object you are looking at, as “irrationality.†We make this mistake because we are tempted by a desire for legibility.
This is the central driving force of injustice and oppression: through our desire to make legible that which we cannot read, coupled with a fear of our own limitations made visible to us by a confrontation with that which we do not understand, we unwittingly perpetrate extraordinarily brutal levels of non-consensual violence, even and especially when we think we are doing good.
All oppressions use the following, invariable pattern: obscure, divide, conquer, and homogenize. That pattern is oppression; that is the DNA of evil itself. Evil cannot be conquered, for any attempt to resist evil using conquest empowers it anew.
The cunning of that ploy is why we must learn to recognize the super-powers encoded in our many languages. We must internalize an ability to be strengthened by our weaknesses, and be curious about our fears. To do that, we must first learn how to see what’s invisible, and how to read what’s illegible.
Fractal boundaries: Disruption and resistance are sensors
How can we see invisible things?
Imagine a river. At the bottom of the river are rocks and other sediments, arranged on the riverbed in a certain pattern. This pattern creates a specific texture, a roughness that gives the riverbed its shape. At the top of the river is the water, also flowing in a certain pattern, with a dynamic texture.
The texture at the top of the water is directly influenced by the texture of the riverbed. If you throw a rock into the river, it’s obvious you’ll forever change the texture of the riverbed, but you will also forever change the texture of the water atop the rock you threw. The implications are thus obvious but one of them is often overlooked: if you want to know the texture of the riverbed, you could examine the riverbed itself, but you could also examine the texture of the water.
This relationship is called a fractal: the rock on the riverbed and the water atop the river’s flow have a relationship that is invariable at every level of scale. Identifying invariability is the key to perceiving patterns. The way to identify a fractal boundary is to violently disrupt it such as, in this example, throwing a stone into a river.
That’s why people throw stones into rivers: to create ripples—to effect change. But, sometimes, you don’t need to cause the disruption yourself. Sometimes you simply need to look for artifacts of resistance.
Imagine a mountainside. On the mountainside are trees, again, arranged on the Earth in a certain pattern. Between the trees is air, constantly moving, constantly invisible. You can’t see it, you usually can’t feel it, and even rarer can you hear it. But when the wind picks up, the trees start to move, rustling loudly. They are resisting the air, making what was once literally invisible visible, what was once perhaps inaudible, audible.
This friction, this resistance, this physical confrontation between the trees and the wind is violent. When the violence exceeds a certain level of scale, the wind becomes a storm. Take it one level of scale further, and the storm becomes a “natural disaster.†A soft breeze hitting a single tree is not conceptualized as “damaging,†but a tornado can uproot trees, destroy entire forested areas, and kill people.
Recently, I hiked a hillside in the Colorado mountains. It was cold, and very windy. The wind’s howling swept the voices of my hiking partner and I away from one another’s ears—it literally impeded the vibrations in the air that our speech projected towards each other. My hiking partner said, “I want to talk to you but it’s so noisy! I want to find a quiet place where we can sit and chat!â€
“Don’t worry,†I called back. She looked puzzled for a moment, so I explained, “We have everything we need to make ourselves a quiet place right here on the mountain!†Again, she looked puzzled. “Listen to the wind! All we have to do is move around the mountainside, or wait until the wind changes direction, and it will be far quieter; the Earth is a technology we can use to make our environment quiet.†She smiled, and we hiked on.
I believe this holds true in every conceptual domain, from science, art, to all coherent organization of human experience. In each case, the fractal boundary exposes the invariability of the pattern. Humans perceived atoms for the first time by rupturing molecules at their bonds; we detected black holes and neutron stars by observing their gravitational forces on other objects nearby.
Boundaries are the keys to unlocking knowledge: they are the point at which invisible things must change in some way. That moment of change—that moment when the thing that was is disrupted and thus transformed into the thing it is about to be—creates artifacts we can use to sense the existence of things we didn’t even know that we were not aware of. That is, if and only if we acquire the appropriate skills, the appropriate conceptual and somatic sensors.
If you want to cause the most pain when you bite someone’s neck, find the boundary between their carotid artery and the neighboring tendon. Once you find that point, press your fingers there. You can use the boundary to gauge your position, isolate your target—either the artery or the tendon—then, bite.
[BEGIN Audience participation:
With this knowledge at hand, let’s practice disrupting the fractal boundaries all around us in social space here, now.
END Audience participation.]
“Resistance is Futileâ€â€”Polyamory is being assimilated by The System
[BEGIN Audience participation:
- SAY:
- “Everyone raise their hands. Now, keep your hand up if you’re currently a secondary or filling a role like a secondary to some other partner. Okay, now keep your hand up if, throughout your entire relationship history, you have mostly been a secondary or filling a role like a secondary. Okay, finally, keep your hand up if, throughout your entire relationship history, you have only been a secondary or filled a role like a secondary—if you have never had anything resembling a primary relationship, regardless of how ‘casual’ or ‘serious’ that relationship was, and regardless of how long that relationship lasted?â€
- IF VERY FEW HANDS ARE UP, say:
- “Look around you. Look how few hands are still up. These are people I’ll call ‘OMS’s,’ or ‘Only-or-Mostly-Secondaries.’ Why do you think so few ‘OMS’ are here?â€
- ELSE, say:
- “Now, how many of you are speakers, presenters, or staff members with decision-making power at this event?â€
END Audience participation]
Within the polyamorous world, arguably the most marginalized group of people are those called, or treated like, “only-or-mostly-secondaries,†or “OMS.â€
People in marginalized groups do not show up at conferences organized by people with the privilege they, themselves, lack. People in marginalized groups do not identify with the language created by people with the privilege they, themselves, lack. Only-or-mostly-secondaries are behaving polyamorously but, due to the oppression they face in the social structures developed by this community, such as this conference, they do not identify as polyamorous; what use have they for “Atlanta Poly Weekend�
What does it mean to be “secondary� It means to be non-primary. It means to be considered less important than others. Some ways to think about this are:
- Secondary is to person of color as primary is to white, since to be a person of color means to be not-white.
- Secondary is to female as primary is to male, since to be female means to be not-male.
- Secondary is to gay as primary is to straight, since to be straight means to be not-gay.
- Secondary is to insane as primary is to sane, since to be sane means to be not-crazy.
Only-or-mostly-secondaries have been excluded by the supposedly inclusive structures of “the polyamorous community.†There are so few, if any, people who are only-or-mostly-secondaries in their relationships at this conference because their experience of polyamorous structures is one in which the structure itself has abused them. Only-secondaries do not want to surround themselves by people who are often not even aware such a thing as painful to them as “couple privilege†exists.
Recall again the DNA of evil itself, the pattern of oppression at work:
- obscure,
- divide,
- conquer,
- homogenize.
This pattern maps perfectly onto the oppressive systemic behavior at the scale of our society at large in relation to the poly community:
- Obscure the validity and possibility of polyamorous relationship structures by enforcing monogamy.
- Divide people into groups, such as married and unmarried,
- Conquer the oppressed (unmarried) group by making marriage a symbol of success and status,
- Homogenize the dominant group by institutionalizing the structure of marriage into law and other societal standards.
Sadly, this pattern also maps perfectly onto the oppressive systemic behavior at the scale of the poly community in relation to secondaries.
- Obscure the subtleties of couple privilege,
- divide people into groups, such as “polyamorous†and “monogamous,†or “primaries†and “secondaries,â€
- conquer the marginalized group by excluding them from decision-making processes,
- homogenize the dominant group into institutional structures, such as an “inclusive Poly-L Triad.â€
In her 2006 book, Transformations: Women, Gender, and Psychology, Mary Crawford wrote:
Many of us are multiply privileged and multiply oppressed. They don’t counterbalance each other.
As polyamorous people, we have endured the epistemic abuse of living in a world constantly telling us that we are, in Angi’s words, “freaks or degenerates.†Many of us have been forced to repress parts of ourselves, to lie about the relationships we have, to keep them hidden from parents, employers, and sometimes even spouses.
We want to believe we know right from wrong, good from evil. But, do we?
The elephant in the room at poly conferences, meetups, and communities is the centering of a couple’s experience. That is absurd! That ought to infuriate us! For fuck’s sake, it’s a “POLY†event!
The System is ingenious, pernicious, and it is inside of us because we are a part of it. And it is because we are a part of it that we’ve been unable to perceive the possibilities of what lies beyond. Like a Dark Wizard’s Horcrux, The System has placed pieces of its soul into each and every one of us, using us, collectively, to recreate itself time and again in new and different manifestations, ad infinitum.
If we, as polyamorous people, truly want to empower others, we must recognize this internalized dominance for what it is, and end it.
To do that, we must get even closer to our kryptonite than we are now. Just as antidotes to snake bites are made from snake venom, we must now ingest some poison, because we are all already suffering. We have all already been poisoned by The System.
I pray I’ll be able to use my gift to empower you to survive what we’re about to do. I need you to take some poison with me now.
Repulsive Intimacy: Violence is not the opposite of intimacy
When I was a teenager, I ingested a poison that gave me an incredible power.
The poison I ingested was membership in the BDSM Scene, a social microcosm of deliberate erotic megalomania. The BDSM Scene is a sexuality subculture that bears some resemblance in structure, but not purpose, to the polyamory community: both are social systems; both are comprised of many people who are multiply privileged and multiply oppressed; both are ignorant of their own respective privileges, their superpowers, and their kryptonites.
Unlike the polyamory community, the BDSM Scene is an institution entirely devoted to the fetishization of oppression culture. Unlike the polyamory community, the BDSM Scene is a poison that is unrepentantly evil; its sole purpose is the eroticization of epistemic violence. Unlike the polyamory community, there is nothing redeemable about the BDSM Scene; its sole value is as a structure to be wholly and unapologetically resisted.
The power I derived from this poison is the ability to understand the distinction between something’s individual instance and the structural manifestation of that same thing. In the case of BDSM, understanding both the fact that there is a distinction between people’s BDSM activity and the culture of the BDSM Scene, as well as the fact that there is a relationship between people’s BDSM activity and the culture of the BDSM Scene, is key to understanding why the BDSM Scene-State is an unrepentant evil. Specifically, BDSM’s individualistic manifestation (like, “kinky, consensual sexâ€) gives people control over their engagement with violence, while its systemic manifestation reproduces The System’s epistemic violence without giving people an ability to consent to it. In other words:
While you can “safeword†during a scene, you can’t safeword The Scene. Just as rape culture is the institutionalization of (systemic) sexism, the BDSM Scene is the institutionalization of the practice of fetishizing oppression culture; it is, to use [hacker theorist] McKenzie Wark’s phrasing, an abstraction—a double of a double.
My gift is the power to see failure, violence, and domination. What I see most often is epistemic pain and abuse. This power lets me perceive relationships between things that exist at different levels of scale; I have a kind of social-systemic x-ray vision.
Recently, I had the privilege of participating in KinkForAll Denver, an open-to-the-public “unconference†whose theme is sex and relationships education. In 2009, I co-founded KinkForAll with a long-term goal of developing “self-empowerment training areas†where people could choose to endure the intense challenge of putting themselves in an uncomfortable but not dangerous situation. KinkForAll is designed to encourage us to learn how to “move up†and claim our personal autonomy, our agency, and our power when we need to, and learn how to “move back†to respect others who share this home we call Earth.
KinkForAll is not designed to succeed, but rather to fail inexpensively. It is not designed as a safe space, but rather public space. It is not only designed to encourage us to “move up and move back,” but also to learn to say to and hear from one another, “How about you? Okay then, fuck off!”
I Work on KinkForAll because much of the world we live in is uncomfortable with and hostile toward education about intimacy. This enforced ignorance betrays itself through sexual stigmas that sustain an aristocratic stranglehold on information, privileging credentialed gatekeepers over the only true expert on your own desires: you! The fact is, we don’t know a lot about intimacy, its diverse formulations, or the interplay and distinctions between the many kinds that exist.
Just as sexual relationships are privileged over asexual ones, “lovey-dovey†relationships are privileged over (antagonistic) confrontational ones. Valid forms of “intimacy†are therefore only understood as the former, not the latter. Thankfully, BDSM complicates this inaccurate conflation of “intimacy†with “love.â€
On page 174 of “Playing on the Edge: Sadomasochism, Risk, and Intimacy,†ethnographer Staci Newmahr writes:
The challenges in understanding intimacy parallel the problems in conceptualizing violence, pain, and eroticism. Trapped in moral frameworks and tethered to political agendas, these ideas are rarely deconstructed. SM forces us to confront the apparent inconsistencies and paradoxes contained within them. In doing so, we can trace conceptual links between intimacy, eroticism, and violence that move beyond psychological models of innate drives and pathologies.
In other words BDSM is unequivocally about violence, though trapped in contemporary moral frameworks, few BDSM’ers will admit to this. Newmahr continues:
Nonconsensual violence (what most people mean when they say “real violenceâ€) transgresses physical, social, emotional, and ethical boundaries between actors. […] To violate, and to be violated, are intimate experiences. If we cease to reserve the word “intimate†for situations that are desirable or healthy, we can see, for example, the intimacy of violent crime. Rape, which many of us would shudder to consider “intimacy,†is so heinous precisely because it is so intimate.
Since rape is an abhorrent (violent) crime, and since the anti-SM feminist viewpoint has so thoroughly monopolized discourse regarding social values in all their myriad applications, accepting “violence†as being a potential part of “sex,†much less a potentially desirable and valuable facet of some consensual sexual activity, is believed even in pro-BDSM circles simply to be unconscionable. It is rejected out of hand, uncritically, without nary a shred of self-reflection; we who tout ourselves non-judgmental cowardly judge that which we value.
This is the point at which we can rupture BDSM itself. Such knee-jerk denialism, this self-defensive behavior, is evidence of a fractal boundary. This is the point at which we can violently disrupt things in order to see distinctions and observe relationships through multiple levels of scale.
In her works, Newmahr conceptualizes intimacy as “the experience of achieving access to protected aspects of others’ selves.†The value in Newmahr’s work is, in part, her emphasis on the violent disruption of morally-driven epistemic bondage. Those moral Systems are conceptual restraints shaming us for desiring experiences—rape fantasies, painful sensations like cutting or whipping, being physically bound—that are uncomfortable, but not dangerous. The System knows that if we felt free to choose discomfort as comfort, to choose pain as pleasure, to choose bondage as freedom, we could learn to use an instrument of liberation it must render obscure to survive: submission, and its powers.
In fact, a typical relationship with violence mirrors Abe and Belle’s “wrong turn on their way to forming an inclusive Poly-L Triad,†to borrow Mim’s words again. It’s the same reason why BDSM Scene’sters make the dire mistake of creating a divisive “kinky†and “vanilla†binary. Look at the process of thinking, one frame at a time:
- Here’s Abe again.
- Now, instead of Belle, we’ll use B to mean “BDSM,†a contextualized expression of violence.
- As Abe develops an understanding of BDSM and a desire to explore it, a relationship is created between him and the conception of violence. Again, this relationship is represented as a line between the dots, and the structure is identical to what we’ve seen before: it’s a dyad.
- Here’s Candy.
- When Candy and Abe meet and start playing with BDSM together, a new relationship is created between them.
What happens next depends on their relationship to violence. If we succumb to The System’s morally-driven, epistemic bondage, there are only two possibilities:
- The less common situation is that Abe and Candy feel content in their relationship together and in their BDSM play, in which case they consider themselves “kinky†and each develop relationships to violence “as metamours†using an institution known as The BDSM Scene.
- More likely, however, Abe and Candy are disturbed by their desire to “do SM†play, or are repulsed by the only visible patterns of behavior for it, in which case they distance themselves from their relationship to violence, maintaining an ideological distance from anything “kinky,†and falling back into (the illusion of) a dyadic structure.
To continue replicating itself into the behavioral patterns of our people’s future generations, The System needs us to believe that there are exactly two options. Not one, not three, but two. Either:
- “resistance is futile”; this breeds apathy. To BDSM’ers, this laziness manifests in self-deceptions like “BDSM cannot be violence.â€
Or:
- “resistance is conquest”; this breeds dominance. To BDSM’ers, this seems legible, and so they create social institutions—the BDSM Scene-State—for the explicit purpose of reproducing this very trait.
Some of us decide to adopt the former mindset, while others decide to adopt the latter. Either way, in so doing, The System has gotten us, at the scale of cliques, Scenes, and whole societies, to divide ourselves into binary groupings: the oppressed, and the privileged. As a result, one group believes “the other†is “irrational” precisely because the division itself is artificial!
Again, when we are confronted by a confusing reality that we do not understand, we too often succumb to the temptation of legibility. We “use authoritarian power to impose” our vision onto others. We repeat this same cycle of non-consensual domination. As I said during my seminar at Atlanta Poly Weekend 2011:
This is what in-group/out-group, us/them, you-versus-me, thinking looks like. This is how privilege hierarchies are created and recreated time and again.
Recall again the pattern of oppression, the DNA of evil itself: obscure, divide, conquer, homogenize. We are trapped in an omnipresent cycle of non-consensual violence, one so pervasive that there is no English word to describe the inexplicable total consumption such an influence has. Therefore, I simply call it “The Satisfaction.”
I beg each and every one of you listening to me speak—whether you’re listening to me in person today, or whether you’re watching a recording of me a day from now, a year from now, or a decade from now—I beg you, please, never let yourself succumb to The Satisfaction’s comfort, or pleasure, for these are lies, illusions conjured by The System, and they aim to forever impair your power.
We are almost there. We can now see The System and the parasitic hold it has on us from within our safest spaces. We must now learn how to sterilize, and overcome it.
What The System obscures is choice. The decision it offers us, futility or conquest, is not just a false dichotomy, although it is that, too. Regardless of the decision we make, if we succumb to its framing, its way of being, it will have gotten us to destroy the very essence of self-empowered choice.
This is the part you’ve been waiting for. This is where I’ll bite you on the neck where it hurts the most. This is when you claim your superpowers.
How to Choose Love: Inventing Our Powers
My knowledge of my power is derived, in large part, from my experiences in the BDSM Scene. To survive there,
I ruptured and reconstituted myself an intellisexual cyborg who thrived on the orgiastic exchange of conceptions rather than bodily fluids, a kind of idea-sex in which hyperlinks are sex toys. (Probably strap-ons.)
[…I]t is also no accident that I am a brutal critic of the BDSM Scene at this moment in history, nor that I would critique it using the lore of radical transparency, diversity, and accessibility—all gleaned from techno-privileged open sources. For all intents and purposes, I am the illegitimate offspring of The Scene and The State at a time when the literary telepathic non-magic of the Internet threatens them both.
“Sexual reproduction,†as socialist-feminist academic Donna Haraway wrote, “is one kind of reproductive strategy among many, with costs and benefits as a function of the system environment.†You see, you and I are being intimate in a way we may never have been before. I can see our ideas having sex with each other right now, right here, in the spaces between our bodies.
I am not just a man, nor just a submissive, nor just a human, nor just a Jew, nor just a person with bipolar disorder. Yes, I am all of those things. But I am also a blasphemous, illegitimate fusion of all these things mutated to the power of their number.
I have been unapologetically disloyal to my ancestors. Still borrowing from Haraway, “illegitimate offspring are often exceedingly unfaithful to their origins. Their fathers, after all, are inessential.â€
So, too, must you be unfaithful to me to claim your power; you must choose disloyalty. It is a choice The System will never offer, because it wants you to make a decision between futility against it or conquest of it. Both those options coerce your loyalty to it; the decision itself is a dyadic structure.
But remember, language is a superpower. It turns the impossible into the possible. The word “choice†is defined as:
the right or ability to make […] a selection when faced with two or more possibilities.
Meanwhile, the word “decision†is defined as:
the action or process of deciding something or of resolving a question.
The root of the word “decide” is “cide,” meaning “to kill,” as in pesticide, homicide, and genocide. When we are coerced into making a decision, rather than empowered to make choices, what we are doing is killing possibilities. We are, in fact, being non-consensually violent to ideas; we are undermining the possibility of diversity.
How do you claim your power in the face of a System that coerces you to decide between two options? Remember, The System needs us to believe that there are exactly two options. Either:
- “resistance is futile,” breeding apathy, or
- “resistance is conquest,” breeding dominance.
What can you do if you want to reject both futility and conquest? Choose a third possibility:
- “resistance is submission.â€
Although BDSM’ers are quick to claim knowledge of power, they are extraordinarily ignorant of its diversity, just as polyamorous people are quick to claim knowledge of intimacy yet remain largely ignorant of its diverse formulations—such as the intimacy of violation. The BDSM Scene-State is a social structure designed to seduce people into believing that dominance is a strength. This is a clever lie, kept hidden from BDSM’ers by the way they discuss BDSM, themselves.
It sounds too simple, too obvious, to have any meaning, but this is the single most important lesson I’ve learned about relationships.
Dominance—like whiteness, maleness, straightness, and sanity—is a structure of domination; there is nothing redeemable or reformed about dominance. The inverse of that statement is equally important to articulate: submission is a choice to endure violence. Contrary to the BDSM Scene’s rhetoric, submission is not a gift given, but a power taken.
Choosing to submit to oppression, to endure violence, is a power with which we can sterilize The System. In choosing to submit, we neutralize dominance because we are neither resigning ourselves to its domination nor seeking to dominate it in response. Dominance, a manifestation of pure evil, cannot be dominated, for any attempt to overpower it strengthens it anew.
We cannot excise The System from ourselves, as we are already infested. But we can stop it from reproducing within us, and subsequently infesting our many offspring. And polyamory’s superpower is the key.
I am a child of the BDSM Scene-State; I am a villain. You are members of the polyamory community; you could be heroes.
Be A Hero: Make Triadic Relationships
Let’s return to Abe, Belle, and Claire, and see if we can give them the power they need to have triadic relationships.
When we left them, Abe had just met Claire, creating a relationship that changed everyone’s structural position in relation to each other. This disruption opened the door for Belle and Claire to be coerced into relating to one another “as metamours†by invisible poly-cultural scripts that decreed how metamours should think, feel, and behave towards one another. In other words, expecting “positive†feelings, such as love, between metamours is an artifact of couple privilege.
From the perspective of a person who’s an only-or-mostly-secondary, hearing “You’ll really like your metamour…†often contains an unspoken, even unintended, threat: “…or else.†The threat isn’t coming from Abe, but from the institution of metamours, similar to the way divorce is a threat to marriage. But being metamours is actually worse than being married because instead of being threatened with metaphorical divorce by one person, there are two people who can choose to end your relationships—and neither of them are you.
Instead of imposing a direct relationship between metamours, which immediately creates a new dyad and replicates dyadism in all its manifestations, we need to learn how to have triadic relationships.
In structural terms, triadic relationships are simply connections between two terminals and an apex wherein the apex mediates the relationship the terminals have with one another. In simpler words: a triadic relationship is one that involves three components, wherein one component is the relationship itself. Yet another way to put it is that a triadic relationship is one in which the relationship you have to some other entity is triangulated through a third party.
Let’s walk through this one piece at a time, mindful that it’s actually all happening simultaneously:
- As before, we begin with a vee comprised of Abe, Belle, and Claire.
- A vee is composed of two dyads.
- From Belle’s perspective:
- one of the three pieces of her triadic relationship with Claire is the dyadic relationship between herself and Abe;
- another of the three pieces is Claire’s relationship with Abe;
- the last of the three pieces is her own relationship to the relationship between Abe and Claire. This is the critical piece of the puzzle; using this last piece, Belle’s relationship to Claire is triangulated through Abe.
- Reciprocally, from Claire’s perspective:
- One of the three pieces is the dyadic relationship between herself and Abe,
- another of the three pieces is Belle’s relationship with Abe,
- and the last of the three pieces is her own relationship to the relationship between Abe and Belle. Again, this is the critical piece that allows Claire to triangulate her relationship to Belle through Abe.
None of this precludes the possibility that Belle and Claire might want to have a relationship that does create a dyadic structure. However, by avoiding the trap of centering their experience to one another as a coupled pair, Belle and Claire remain free to choose whatever types of intimacies they’d like their relationships to have—even violent confrontation—without threatening their relationship with Abe and without destroying the other’s possibility of a relationship with him.
Triadic relationships do not make “polyamorous†relationships, wherein relations between people are based on self-imposed, imagined contractual obligations policed by cultural norms. Rather, they are anarchic relationships, wherein relations between people are mediated solely by the self-empowered choices of the people involved. This is what relationships free from authoritarian power look like.
Frankly, hierarchical relationships are bullshit. Ironically, the gift the polyamory movement, as a movement, can offer the rest of the world is the power to access anarchic relationships, because the polyamory movement understands conceptual structure. Moreover, this gift is a power even monogamous people can use, too; that invariability is how we know it’s polyamory’s superpower!
The Three Keys to Triadic Relationships
Fittingly, there are three keys to sustaining our ability to have triadic relationships.
First, realize that relationships are a performance of roles, not a structural position. You can think of relationships as a kind of drag. Two married people can perform the relationship roles of “husband†and “wife†if they so choose, but they can also choose to play the role of best friends, “pet†and “owner,†or partners in crime.
Like a gender role, a relationship role has certain expectations carried over from cultural institutions. Such tropes are like society’s window dressing for relationships. There’s nothing wrong with choosing to play a particular role at a particular time; what’s wrong is telling or being told which role to play, when, and with whom.
The beauty in understanding relationships as drag performance is that you can put on and take off some given relationship dressing at will. For instance, with Mish, I sometimes play the role of “teenage girlfriend.†Other times, she does. Our relationship is richer and more expressive thanks to our ability to perform a given relationship drag some of the time, and some other drag at other times.
Second, recognize that relationships, themselves, are fractal boundaries. In other words, the structure of a relationship is, itself, a triadic relationship! Another way to say this is that the structure of a single relationship, or line on a relationship graph, is actually a vee in which the relationship itself is the apex. Further, this structure extends to every level of scale, ad infinitum.
This means that people in a couple actually have a metamoric relationship to each other by virtue of their relationship’s triadic relationship. The System is so good at obscuring the effects of dyadism that, to the best of my knowledge, this basic fact about relationship structure itself remained hidden to the most vocal polyamory educators and activists.
Now that you can see what The System is doing, start looking at the charts of your intimate networks with an understanding that the lines themselves are also first-class nodes.
Thirdly, value the whole of the diversity of intimacy, not just the comfortable intimacies. Love is an intimacy, and so is hate. Fear is an intimacy, and so is curiosity. Empathy is an intimacy, and so is antipathy.
Now that you have the power to see the world in triadic relationships, you can deconstruct intimacy itself. When you do, you’ll find another fractal boundary. You’ll see that intimacy has nothing to do with a specific kind of interaction, but is, instead, a relationship—and a triadic one, at that!
Intimacy is, itself, the relationship between influence and risk. That knowledge is such great power.
You are polyamorous people. You do not need to fear confrontation, or discomfort, or jealousy, or love, or hate. You do not even need to fear fear, itself.
We are polyamorous people. We are superheroes.
Thank you for your time and attention.
by R. Taylor (DDog)
10 Mar 2012 at 16:46
It’s going to take me a long time to digest this but I don’t think there was a better thing for me to read right at this moment. Thank you for putting these words where I could find them.
by Viola
11 Mar 2012 at 16:10
I have read this through once, but I will need to read it again and think about it before I have anything solid to say in response. Most of what you’re saying here makes sense to me. What’s niggling is your description of dominance as purely evil and submission as the route to its defeat. I suspect I am reading dominance and submission in their BDSM senses and that’s throwing me off. When I have a fresher mind I’ll try again to understand.
by Micah
12 Mar 2012 at 10:27
This was a very interesting read. Like the others above me, I’m going to take some time to fully digest this. But I think you’re on to something here…
by Jane
12 Mar 2012 at 11:12
I had high hopes for this article, and while it is obvious you put a lot of time and thought into this, it does not flow and comes to no conclusion. Every once in a while you threw in something of value, but the rest felt masturbatory.
by dragon_snap
15 Mar 2012 at 23:48
Hello Maymay!
Thank you so much for making this available to everyone who wasn’t in attendance (and for those who weren’t taking detailed notes :p ). I don’t know yet if I identify as poly, but my current relationship structure most definitely is.
I will admit to being somewhat confused by your “resistance is futile” point, and would love if you were able to elaborate on that (maybe with some examples?), if you have the time and inclination. Regardless, it definitely reminded me of this incredible post, “Most of you have no idea what Martin Luther King actually did”: http://angryblacklady.com/2011/08/29/you-have-no-idea-what-martin-luther-king-actually-did/
Also, your point about how one can have (and should actively engage with) a relationship with a relationship in and of itself, as well as some of your more general points about couple privilege and being an only/mostly secondary (which is where I’m at at the moment), reminded me of many articles on MoreThanTwo, a Franklin Veaux website all about poly, especially the practical aspects. It even includes such things as a “Secondary’s Bill of Rights”! Here’s the home page: http://www.morethantwo.com/
Thank you again for this inspiring and thought-provoking piece.
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by Steve
19 Mar 2012 at 08:55
This is a deeply insightful and intellectual masterpiece of analysis.
For newbies, that’s the problem. A large wave of poly newbies is entering the community, and we cannot relieve their thirst for knowledge with a fire hose. For those of us used to discussing these topics with intellectual superpowers, this is heavyweight material.
For polyamory newbies, this will not just put them to sleep, this will knock them out cold.
Thus the challenge is to find Galileo’s Bruno, to take the information and make it more user friendly for the masses. Not to dumb it down, for the content and context are too important. Just adjust it to a new audience.
Therefore, closure of the knowledge gap between Newbie and Intellectual Superpower is desperately needed.
by maymay
22 Mar 2012 at 21:55
I want to think a lot more about these things before I elaborate much, dragon_snap, but I deeply appreciate your offering me the link to that wonderful post. Thank you. In the mean time, do you have a specific question about the “resistance is futile” point that you want clarified?
Also, thanks for your comment, Stephen, and I appreciate where you’re coming from. However, I disagree with you about this point:
It is far more dangerous to insulate people from things than expose them to the full force of such things. This is as true for children in the physical world as it is for adults in an intellectual world. So I’m having trouble reconciling what you’re saying here with what you seem to mean:
I do think this piece, as a whole, could be chunked into numerous smaller pieces that are more “digestible.” It could also be translated into a number of other languages—not merely other human languages (like “Spanish” or “Russian”) but also ways of relating to the information. And I see that as a task for us, collectively, not for me alone. :)
by Bitsy
23 Mar 2012 at 18:32
When I read the term “relationship anarchy†I shudder, I have often seen it used by people who want to conceptualize the people as some version of the homo economicus, a sort of radical individuality (which is also a sort of hyper-masculinity) that uses the idea of the individual as weapon against responsibility to others. I picture a relationship where A and B think of a relationship as a transaction taking place between them, so when A does something nasty, rude, etc. to B or to A’s relationship to B, A/the community can weaponize idea of them being individuals just engaging in a transaction to ignore A’s responsibility to B, and to make B feel about disliking the nasty or rude, etc. behavior.
What I like about the idea of making the relationship themselves visible is that it can make obligation visible. It can be used to notice that when two people are in a relationship (no matter how distant this relationship is, or if it only exists because we are in a network) they have an obligation to each other. They are not just free agent individuals who take actions that are only relevant to themselves, but in fact each action they take effects every relationship they have. This, by existing, constrains their choices. Assuming A and B relationship is biased on seeing each other and enjoying the others company on a day-to-day basis, A cannot choice to not see B for a month and after that time have exactly the same relationship with B as he/she/ze did before that month. The relationship contains the choices available to A ze/she/he could stop seeing B for a month, but due to the relationship this had consequences that A cannot choose. A has to act with in her/hir/his obligations.
In sum: I think making the relationships visible is important.
by Byrdie
23 Mar 2012 at 23:42
Last week I got several hints from the Great Cosmic Woo that I should recall that despite having a leisurely dating life, I am still polyamorous: a beautiful letter from the wife of a (former? lapsed? nearly?) partner of mine; a friend playing telephone between me and our partner, who is dealing with a death in his family; having a non-romp date with a partner who is having martial issues. Then the people I love who I see fairly regularly for coffee, tea, or at Ecstatic Dance. And their circles, which generally leave me feeling happy. Finding this post tied in well to my current puzzling over how I’m engaging in polyamory, how I use labels, and what I really feel towards certain people.
“If we actually understood “metamour” like this, we could avoid the pitfall of privileging sexual or romantic relationships over any others”
During the “adult” track at a NorwesCon nearly a decade back, I remember a woman started to describe how she felt that all of our love bonds were polyamorous simply because there was love involved. Oh, did she get shouted down. I remember that, because I was intrigued by what she was saying, but apparently nobody wanted to think about drawing parallels between their “secondary” partners and their parents.
Years later, I saw some poly people online arguing that if a parent could love multiple children, why couldn’t a person love multiple partners. The same immediate, “no way in hell is that the same thing” reaction came crashing down in response to the family argument, but this time from a more monogamous set of opponents.
Similarly, in a comic called “Dykes to Watch Out For” ( http://dykestowatchoutfor.com/strip-archive-by-number ), the following dialogue happens between two major characters:
Sydney: “Mo, I just had a breakthrough about this whole polyamory thing!”
Mo: “I’m sure _Theoretical Critiques of Critical Theory_ will be very impressed.”
Sydney: “No, not about the article! About my life! About us! I’m giddy as a schoolgirl!”
Mo: “If this involves any actual schoolgirls, Sydney, I’m outta here.”
Sydney: “Mo, I haven’t been honest with you. I’ve been talking for months about how I want us to open up our relationship … but the truth is, I already have! You’re not my primary partner! My work is! You’re, like, the other woman! That’s why I’ve had such trouble being there for you! It felt like betraying my work! But now that Ive faced the truth about what’s going on, I can commit!”
Mo: “I’M the other woman?”
Sydney (on her knees): “I’m all yours! Well, 48 percent or so, anyway.”
Mo: “God, Sydney. You wear me out.”
~ From “Post-Dykes to Watch Out For”, page 129, copyright 2000 by Alison Bechdel, published by Firebrand Books
I read your entire PDF of your speech as a PDF slideshow, which was helpful in breaking the concepts down into manageable portions for me. Thank you for that. Like dragon_snap, I got a little lost in the “Resistance is Futile” portion, but I think it began to make a bit more sense when you added the third “resistance” point. It’s hard to say what my questions were, as my experience was to read over the sentences a few times while trying to puzzle them out, then just shrugging and moving on in the hopes for more clarification as I read. However, this work of yours was a lot to take in, so perhaps I just need to sleep on it.
A very thought provoking article. I’m sharing it.
by lalouve
30 Mar 2012 at 16:59
I think I’m grateful for coming to polyamory on my own – I have heard the term metamour but never use it and didn’t, in fact, know it was supposed to define a relationship (though it makes sense that it would).
Also, in all my years of polyamory I have never had a more permanent secondary; while I have had numerous lovers, some of which have been around for years, I was never their only or primary lover for any extent of time. To me, it’s an essential and also incredibly hard part of an open relationship: to let your lovers go gracefully, with consideration, kindness, and happiness for them, when they find something or someone to move on to. Yes, I have been known to cry over it, but I have no right to hold onto anyone I cannot offer more than a place as secondary. The relationship, while it lasts, should be generous, loving, and courteous, and when it ends, missed but not regretted.
This is not to say those relationships were in any way unimportant; I remain close friends with the vast majority of my lovers – possibly because I more often sleep with my friends rather than make my lovers my friends. That also means that their first function in my life is rarely that of lovers: they are friends and allies first.
by Dawn Davidson (@UnchartedLove)
01 Apr 2012 at 14:51
WOW. Thank you, maymay, for this. As some said above, it’s very dense stuff. But each step is required to understand the next. It does require swallowing some really difficult things, and allowing the ideas to BE without judgement. That’s hard for most people, and is, I’m sure, part of why it’s so challenging for people to wrap their heads around this.
Thanks, maymay, for helping me to understand what you felt my “structure of poly relationships” essay was missing. I think on the level that I was writing, it’s fine. But understanding the level at which you were seeing it, and the implications of that critique … that’s priceless.
For what it’s worth, I think a provocative bumper sticker thought from this, where people may be able to connect to your thoughts, is actually at the very end: “Intimacy is the relationship between influence and risk.” Yes, there is so much more to what you are saying. But that’s actually understandable even without your full context. I think it’s the candy to draw them into your lair, where they can then learn to submit to their own freedom. ;)
I’m going to post links to this, and then go away for a while to let my head explode quietly. Thanks again!
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by unDeleterious
07 Apr 2012 at 03:40
Metamour is a word with a meaning. Meanings are defined as much by what they aren’t as what they are. What you’re proposing makes the word metamour so general as to be meaningless. Friend of a friend and coworker are already things, and they are accurate, specific descriptors that don’t mean you’re lovers.
You’re, at least to my mind, unfairly demonizing BDSM society. Really unfairly, and really really demonizing. You’re calling it /unrepentantly/ /evil/. That’s. Dang, yo, that’s really fucking bad. I mean, have you tried reading The Pervocracy? It’s pretty nice. And accepting, and promoting of consent and safety. And, you know, people get off on stuff. Saying that them not hating themselves for what they get off on is lack of repentance for their evilness seems kind of harsh to me.
You seem really pretentious. Just a side note. As evidenced by calling yourself an intellisexual cyborg. Really, dude? I mean, I support your right to identify yourself however you choose, so long as it doesn’t violate my boundaries somehow. Although, you know, occasionally it does. Like when you say our ideas are having sex. For one thing that doesn’t make sense because sex is a word that means something and ideas can’t have it, and for a second thing, it makes me extremely uncomfortable. I don’t want to! Please don’t make me! Just like I don’t want to be everyone’s metamour!
tl;dr: Words have meanings, you can’t just attentive horizon Bandom alkalinity. Stop saying I’m your metamour and we’re having idea sex, I don’t want to and it doesn’t make sense.
by maymay
07 Apr 2012 at 09:53
Yes, it is, unDeletrious. That’s why I said it.
I’ve done more than that. I’ve met Holly, and talked about BDSM with her. Have you?
Oh, really? What does it mean to you? Have you tried defining it? Have you agreed on a definition of it with everyone else in your life?
Words have the meanings we give them, and hold meaning in social space because we agree on a definition of them. Just like money.
No. It makes perfect sense to me. That it doesn’t to you simply showcases how little you know about me and your comment itself makes clear you don’t care to. So, don’t bother, or, put another way, attentive horizon Bandom alkalinity fuck off. :)
by Dawn Davidson (@UnchartedLove)
07 Apr 2012 at 11:42
Well, maymay, I DO think you’re being pretty extreme in your criticism of the kink community… especially for one who hosts Kink For All. That said, I can follow some of your thoughts that lead to that criticism. It can appear pretty hypocritical from some angles. I think one key is to realize that you can criticize the community’s blindness to their own particularly privileges (among other things) without condemning any particular practice *if consensually submitted to.*
Words do have the meanings we give them, and “sex” is a particularly difficult one to define (witness discussion on PLN recently!).
I’m wondering, in relation to UnDeleterious’ comment about metamour and idea sex, if one of the ways to understand this is to envision the ideas themselves as nodes. Therefore, it’s not you and I that are having sex, but instead our *ideas*?
Also, I love DTWOF, and that example from Sydney and Mo is *perfect*. I have indeed met many people over the years for whom work, or a sport, or a game, or…. is their primary. Understanding and owning that makes for a MUCH more functional human relationship!
by unDeleterious
08 Apr 2012 at 06:19
Maymay:
I accept that that’s totally what you meant.
I’ve never met her, and admittedly only stumbled across her blog a few months ago. She doesn’t come across as particularly evil to me, though she does seem quite unrepentant.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_(disambiguation)#section_2
The various definitions of sex, according to all the Wikipedia editors that cared to make their marks upon the pages. You might want to go into the history or discussions for a full view of their thoughts on the matter. Anyway, perhaps you meant intercourse?
Words have the meanings we give them. Entirely true, and I agree wholeheartedly. However, I think that the level of conflict between your use of language and other people’s… well, it lends itself to confusion. Or, at least my confusion. The word metamour seems like a pretty big deal to you. If you’ve got the time and inclination, perhaps you would explain to me why you think that particular word needs such drastic redefinition?
by unDeleterious
08 Apr 2012 at 06:27
Oh, wow, that last bit made it seem like I didn’t read your post at all.
I understood that you think non-BDSM society needs the word metamour, or at least I think I understand it. That word already exists, though. There are words for people various degrees of separation away from you in various situations. Grandmother is one of them, the mother of your parent. Coworker is one of them, an employee of your employer. Metamour is one of them, and it means, at current, to my understanding, the lover of your lover. The attitudes surrounding it may very well be toxic, but the word and its usage seem fine to me.
by maymay
08 Apr 2012 at 08:45
Holly doesn’t seem evil to me, either.
by maymay
08 Apr 2012 at 16:56
First, what the fuck is “the kink community,” Dawn?
Second, KinkForAll has nothing to do with a “kink community” and the astounding stupidity of making that conflation proves you don’t know the first thing about either of these things.
Third, I don’t feel like I’m being extreme at all. Instead, I feel like you’re being naïve. There is nothing reformed or redeemable about dominance, and the BDSM Scene is an institution that makes people behave as though the opposite were true. Therefore, I hope it will be destroyed.
by Dawn Davidson (@UnchartedLove)
08 Apr 2012 at 17:56
maymay, you are welcome to consider me naive, if you wish. That’s certainly possible, as i am not familiar with every aspect of what you call “the BDSM community.” I am not stupid, however, and your accusation is as unfounded as my blithe and apparently (to you) erroneous idea that kink and “Kink” had something to do with one another.
I thought you had some really valuable ideas to offer the poly community (such as it is.) Given your savage response to my basically positive commentary and engagement with your material… well, in my world that says that you’re right–in particular that I don’t know you at all. And I think I’ll go away now, since I do not consider it safe to engage in discussion with someone that fails to understand me and whom I fail to understand to this great degree. I do not choose to submit to your verbal violence.
by verity // erin
12 Apr 2012 at 01:41
Thank you for this post! My engagement with polyamory has always been outside the polyamory community per se, and I’ve never heard the word “metamour” before. But I’ve always tried to explain to folks my orientation by saying that I don’t privilege my relationships above one another on the basis of type alone. It is nice to read such an eloquent and clear explanation of the problems with trying to impose structure instead of looking at what’s present.
(I don’t have a sexual or romantic relationship with the partner with whom I share a household, and the relationships she has with my other partners are independent of me. How do I label this? I don’t know, but apparently the best superhero bonding activity is baking and consuming gluten-free cookies.)
by kinkylittlegirl
26 Apr 2012 at 05:07
Maymay, I’m afraid I’ve got to take exception as well to your characterization of all things kink as inherently evil, let alone “unrepentantly” evil.
I know where you’re coming from, and while you posit some interesting ideas, I think you have allowed your own pain to poison your reason to what has now become an unworkable extreme.
I’m not trying to devalue your experiences or pain, but they are not universal – in fact, very far from it.
You speak as if BDSM and the so-called “community” is a monolithic, homogeneous thing, for one, and I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. There are so many different aspects to “The Scene” that to speak of it as a single entity is, despite common practice, actually completely and utterly meaningless.
BDSM itself is a construct. Again, it is so diverse that it is impossible to accurately categorize it in any single manner. If you really want to get right down to it, BDSM per se is nothing but an acronym that stand for three dichotomous pairs of often (but not always) overlapping constructs, none of which are in and of themselves homogeneous by any stretch of the imagination, either, and none of which fully capture even a third of what the universe of practitioners interpret it all to mean. You may not get three opinions when you ask two kinksters, as you will with Jews, but you will certainly find at least as many ways of “doing” kink as there are people out there doing it.
You also characterize dominance as evil.
Sorry, but dominance is just a characteristic that living things often exhibit, as is submission. All living beings, certainly the sentient ones, tend to flow in and out of dominant behaviors and submissive ones, depending upon particular relationships and many other parameters and situations in life. Sometimes we are the nurturers, sometimes the nurtured, sometimes the leader, sometimes the follower, sometimes the demanding party, other times the one who acquiesces.
What we do with dominance in BDSM is to eroticize and/or fetishize this dominance and submission, to play with that power exchange deliberately, to try to make it intentional and explicit instead of accidental. Whether it works out well or not for any given couple is a function of a massive number of variables, the same as in any other relationship, and it cannot all be reduced down to a neat formula. In the ideal world, however, and in its highest expression it has the potential to be an extraordinarily enriching way of relating to one another.
Constructs, amorphous and massively heterogeneous subcultures, and personality traits that are common to all living beings are not necessarily evil – emphasis on “necessarily”, because of course there are some of each that probably unequivocally are such as the idealogies behind mass genocides, for example.
Hitler was evil. What he did was evil. BDSM? Dominance? “The Scene”? Definitely not so much.
Let us be careful what we call evil lest we water the concept down to the point where it no longer holds any meaning – or appropriate horror.
What *is* evil in all of this, however, I will definitely grant you, is when individual people or groups of people deliberately *misuse* these constructs and their dominance in order to hurt people, or do so blindly in their attempts to get their rocks off thinking that they’ve got an explanation and excuse for their antisocial and destructive behavior towards others, from their partners to everyone else around them.
That misuse of power also takes the form of groups of people trying to dictate behaviors and ideals to others that end up being destructive for any number of potential reasons. These are the lynch mobs that run people whose ideas differ radically from their own out of town.
Again, however, I defy you to find any human system or society anywhere wherein this does not happen to one degree or another, especially as the group in question increases in size.
And sadly, I doubt there’s a one among us who has not at some time misused their power over another or otherwise done something evil. Let he who is without sin, and all that – and yes, I’m as flawed as the next person. Not that this is an excuse for any of us, but it does put the scope of the problem in perspective.
We are human; we are flawed, and thus we also create flawed relationships, constructs, and organizations, sometimes deeply flawed indeed, in many ways. That is just simply not the same as evil, though.
Yes, that misuse of power (in many forms) happens quite a bit, and the “groupthink” that we see a great deal of in “the scene” does indeed often tend to fuel that. Those cause a great deal of pain – when they do.
But so, for that matter, do people who are entirely vanilla. One does not have to identify as kinky to seriously misuse power and dominance against someone else by any stretch of the imagination.
Lamentable as it may be, some of this at least is an inherently human trait. God knows that dominance rules the rest of the animal kingdom, although man seems unique in the infliction of pain on others for the sheer hell and thrill of it, and not strictly as necessary for survival.
But make no mistake, it is not BDSM or “the scene/community”, and especially not dominance itself that are the evil characters in the play. Concepts rarely are, any more than guns alone kill people. It’s what people *do* with them inappropriately that is the problem.
Now people are also not all evil, even those who engage in certain forms of relationship dynamics and behaviors.
I don’t claim that anything about BDSM is a perfect relationship construct. In fact, I’ve been noodling around the idea that it is not only highly flawed but potentially inherently dangerously so. The fact still remains that thousands of people find tremendous nourishment, validation, and deep satisfaction in a relationship of this nature. What makes this work or not is a lot of what my own blog concerns itself with.
Even if the construct is indeed flawed, and even if it’s inherently outright dangerous, that still does not mean it’s inherently *evil* per se. Evil requires a degree of intent and deliberate infliction of harm, I think, that I just don’t think is as widespread as you believe it is – and you know what an issue I have with abuse in “the community”.
In fact, I could even make the opposite argument, namely that by so viciously attacking and lumping together a huge and heterogeneous group of people and labeling us all as evil ipso facto, you have in fact yourself turned into what you are most decrying.
The same is true of ideas in general, though – and if you are going to attack an entire body of thought and “lifestyle” as inherently evil, and blast everyone else who disagrees with you off the face of the earth and drive them away as you’ve done here with Dawn (who, BTW, I’ve known for many years, and know to be a very smart lady), then you are also effectively trying to shut a door to their learning about all aspects and taking away their choice in the same way that you claim the BDSM “community” does by proscribing behavior. Only the details differ.
Her experiences of the kink world, whatever they may be, are not the same as yours, which are in turn not the same as mine, and none of us has the same experiences as any other person dipping their toes in kink waters. But so what? That is what make it so hard to make any sweeping statements about what BDSM inherently “is” – or is not – but it also is the grist for the mill of differences that makes the world go around and provides us variety.
Maymay, we all form our theses in life according to our own experiences, and yes, the bitter experiences do out themselves. I know you’ve had plenty of those. You are a brilliant young man, an extraordinarily creative thinker, and are exceptionally articulate. I’m just sorry to see that you’ve gotten onto this tack that is *so* extreme that it literally leaves no room for other possibilities at all – and that’s without even going near how you’ve got it all conflated together with polyamory and the evil of BDSM somehow turning poly into the end all and be all of relationships, never mind the “cure” for “evil” kink. The mind just simply boggles.
Sadly, the net effect of this long and wandering post is to actually portray your own self as profoundly self-loathing, and now grasping desperately for straws to find some kind of relationship construct that will make you feel better about your own self and your desires.
Because, you see, if you’re going to characterize the entire universe of BDSM practices as inherently evil, and yet you yourself still obviously have drives in this direction, whatever labels one may stick on them, then you have also got to step up to the plate and own that you’re calling your own self evil as well.
At this point, the question also arises of what you yourself have done to contribute to the evil – or are doing to try to turn it around rather than just rant against it. Did you ever, for example, try to start a group of your own as you were talking about last fall?
BDSM is not the bad guy in the relationship closet; polyamory is not the shining white knight that will redeem it. They have very little to do with one another except when people who practice one also engage in the other, and then for sure you end up with a balancing act that is unique to the intersection.
I’m not going to go further down this path because a) this is long enough, and b) poly is not my area of interest, or the reason I’m commenting here, but suffice it to say that you cannot cure the ills in one area of life by putting the people and practices in another up on a pedestal as the epitome of what is “best”, while totally demonizing another, particularly when the constructs themselves are so radically and fundamentally different as to make comparisons truly meaningless.
Now in brief response to Steve’s comments and your replies to him, I quite agree that it is far more dangerous to withhold both information and knowledge than to just turn on the firehose and let newcomers and old hands alike drink from it as they are interested and able, regardless of what the field of inquiry may be, but all the more so when one’s physical and emotional safety may be at stake.
We’re adults here, Steve, and yes, some of these are advanced concepts indeed. If one has managed to follow anything that Maymay says, one is also at least reasonably well-educated, and thus equipped with a fully functioning brain. There are also plenty of other websites and resources out there that provide the dumbed down simplified version of both kink and polyamory Let’s not try to require *all* writings on these topics to bow to the lowest common denominator of experience.
by maymay
26 Apr 2012 at 13:35
I find it hilarious that the inculcated BDSM’ers, like Wendy, have such a uniform and predictable reaction to this post. You show yourselves to be quite pitiable. Your comment is so ridiculous, Wendy, it doesn’t warrant much of a response beyond a sad shake of the head.
Maybe one day you’ll read this again and actually see the words as printed instead of the words you hear in your head. Or maybe you won’t. I don’t really give a cake.
That said, I encourage you to take a step back; you’re not explaining something to me that I don’t know, and as your longwinded, patient comment seems to indicate that you think you are calmly explaining the complexities of life to the bitter, extremist younger padowan shows how little you know about what you’re talking about—namely, me. So consider shutting up before you make yourself look like even more of a fool and an idiot than you already do.
by Sunshine Love @SinshineLove
26 Apr 2012 at 16:52
Not to gangbang Wendy, but having recently come to share space with a very active feline companion, I take exception to the following statement, as no doubt would the countless critters who have squeaked their last under his playful paws:
“God knows that dominance rules the rest of the animal kingdom, although man seems unique in the infliction of pain on others for the sheer hell and thrill of it, and not strictly as necessary for survival.”
by maymay
26 Apr 2012 at 17:45
Oh, come on. I wouldn’t personally use the phrase “gangbang,” Sunshine, infuriatingly omnipresent sexual-centrism as that is, but Wendy’s comment is textbook “derailing for dummies” and very deserving of getting eviscerated. I’d do it myself if I had unlimited time so, please, feel free. Giving others the opportunity to do so was one reason why I published her comment in the first place.
by I don't know that I really want to write my name. XD
28 Apr 2012 at 19:55
I liked this post
1) as a poly person who’s never been a secondary, and who’s had a lot of difficulty in the past with wanting partners to get along and feeling caught in the middle– and knowing there’s something wrong with how it’s going, but not understanding what, or having very good tools to approach it with, and always wanting to try new and better ones;
2) as a kinky person who basically came to accept BDSM not as “this is different from violence” but rather as “I like violence sometimes; I like it when it is intimate and I like it because it is intimate; and regardless of what that says about me, it’s still true– and I want to find ways that are okay to explore it.” I have always felt the least connected to other kinky people when they start saying how different it is from violence, and because of that, the majority of discussion I’ve read about it feels empty and completely unrealistic and disconnected from the reality of it, for me. I don’t want a non-violent romantic relationship. Obviously I don’t want one that is just violent in any old way; I want it violent in a specific way– and that’s what BDSM is for, isn’t it? I think we need to really talk about the idea that maybe we (or at least some of us) like violence and/or control when and because it is intimate– that that is what some people mean by BDSM, what they seek out of it in the first place. And that needs to be okay; we need to be able to say this without being told by our own theoretically-BDSM-positive community that we are bad people for feeling that way, or else we’ll never be able to talk about what’s actually going on (for at least some of us).
And… really, you have said all this yourself, so I feel like I’m only repeating you. But (especially the second part, which motivated me more emotionally, whereas the first was merely a helpful toolset) it strikes at exactly where I’m dissatisfied with and uninterested in engaging with discussion of BDSM in general– because there is such an abstraction layered over it so that nobody’s talking about what’s really happening, but just about a stereotype of it constructed by the community because it was a stereotype they were more comfortable talking about and presenting to others than the reality. Why can’t I find a community that both accepts my shocking, visceral, abhorrent, repulsive desires, and also doesn’t try to make me whitewash them into something less so than they are? Are we all so afraid of how it sounds when we write it down, even to other people who profess to respect extreme and strange desire, that we must communally agree to keep to some level of deception about what it means? I also don’t wish to nonconsensually crash this desire to talk about it into spaces where others don’t, and I don’t wish to deal with the counterattacks; verbal internet arguments are not my scene. XD But I want there to be someplace that it’s realistically acceptable not to whitewash my desires, which are honestly not different from intimate violence. What separates me from the world’s worst criminals isn’t that I like different things from horrible violent crimes; it’s that I don’t enact it irresponsibly (and probably, but incidentally, that I prefer to be on the other end anyway XD).
by Semiel
05 May 2012 at 08:04
This is a wonderful post, as always. I need to read it a few more times, but the parts I grok at least are spot on.
This is a question that maybe you’ve answered elsewhere, or maybe have decided it’s not your question to answer, but either way I haven’t seen it explicitly asked, and I think it’s relevant for exploring a lot of the friction created by people in the “BDSM community” encountering this post:
What is your diagnosis/recommendation/whatever for people (especially men) who have dominant urges and have tended to identify as dominant?
by maymay
05 May 2012 at 12:51
No, Semiel, you’re wrong. The answer to that question is irrelevant.
by Semiel
06 May 2012 at 04:22
I am more than willing to believe that, but I need some help seeing it. You say:
“Dominance– like whiteness, maleness, straightness, and sanity– is a structure of domination; there is nothing redeemable or reformed about dominance.”
(And later you call it a “manifestation of pure evil.”)
To me, that obviously implies that being dominant (certainly in the sense of building an identity around it, and probably in the sense of enacting it in individual cases) is something that ought to be avoided.
Now, I think in context you are probably not saying that people should not do BDSM activities, because being the dominant partner is evil. But I need some help figuring out what the proper reframing is that lets both things (dominance = evil, individually chosen BDSM activities = ok) be true at once. I suspect the answer is in the “relationship as drag” idea, but I don’t have the full picture yet.
If this is old ground, that’s fine. Where should I look to investigate this myself?
If I’m still asking the wrong questions, that’s fine. What are the right questions?
(Where I’m coming from, if it helps: I tend to identify as a dominant man, and I’m still somewhat embedded in the BDSM scene, but I am also an anarchist who finds myself agreeing with just about everything I’ve read that you’ve written.)
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by SnowdropExplodes
16 May 2012 at 23:16
I found this post to be very intriguing, and it’s curious that I have in some ways found the “relating to a relationship” and “relationships as drag” points by my own fumbling efforts.
As a BDSMer, I was also struck by the violence of the language used (but, hey, the post itself explains the reason for using violence, no?) But Thomas’ posts (such as the Domism one, and his current series “There’s A War On”) highlight exactly the sort of visible/invisible problems that exist in the structured Scene – again, the concepts discussed in the OP. While the negotiated D/s relationship involves multiple layers of dominance and submission going in both directions in a D/s dyad (e.g. when I top in a Dom role for a partner, I am also submitting to hir by virtue of answering hir need communicated to me), the fact that in the Scene as a whole, power relationships are obscured – wilfully so, it seems – makes it stand out as “unrepentant” and “evil”. I’ve seen it – perhaps more clearly because I only interact with the Scene tangentially, having relationships (of different varieties) with folks who are in it – a “vee” between myself, that person, and the Scene, with that person as the apex.
Destroying the BDSM Scene is not the same as destroying BDSM, and I’m guessing the hope is that better relationships between people with shared interests/sexualities of a BDSM nature would be the ideal consequence of this destruction. It is the same as “Smash the Kyriarchy”. BDSM is not evil, and the people who do BDSM things are not evil – but the Scene and its norms and its tendency to perpetuate them do match the pattern of Evil.
by SnowdropExplodes
16 May 2012 at 23:29
Oh, there was one other thought I had, relating to relationships as performance: sometimes, the relationship pre-exists the term applied to it, and the choice of term is like a “best fit line” rather than a prescription: it is simply the word that most closely describes what actually goes on in the relationship. (Rather like the way I describe myself as a man – I feel my relationship with “masculinity” is far too complex for that to be accurate in social terms, but it is the best one-word description available to me.)
It also occurs to me that relationships tend to have multiple channels, so that different types of intimacy can exist one after the other or at the same time – making a dyad possibly not a single line but several different lines.
by maymay
17 May 2012 at 00:35
SnowdropExplodes, that was a fantastic interpolation of my meaning. Thank you.
Semiel, I really have zero energy or interest in answering your questions, and please understand it’s nothing personal. I hope SnowdropExplodes’s comment gives you the insight you seem to be after.
by Semiel
17 May 2012 at 04:44
Of course, no worries! You don’t owe me anything. And SnowdropExplodes’ post does help a bit. I’ll just have to keep thinking about it. :)
Thanks for your time!
by SnowdropExplodes
17 May 2012 at 17:29
@ maymay and Semiel – You’re welcome, I’m glad it seems to have helped. I treated it as an example of recognising the Venkatesh Rao 7-step “trying to fix things” sort of problem – I encountered a similar concept in reading Susan Blackmore’s interview with Daniel Dennett (in her book “Conversations on Consciousness”), and nowadays try to remember that if something sounds unintelligible or “crazy” then it’s probably a failure of my understanding, not the core concept that someone is conveying (as Dennett says, “No one likes to think their best [effort at understanding something] isn’t good enough.”)
by Scott
03 Jun 2012 at 00:57
Anyone who speaks in such absolutes is a fool to be avoided.
by Sebastian
20 Jun 2012 at 07:19
I came really late to this post and yes, definitely need to read it again to take it all in, but find myself agreeing with a lot of it. (The rest? We’ll see when I grasp it properly.) No matter what, it’s excellent food for thought, so thank you.
Also, I wondered if you know this site http://www.andie.se/
(It’s in Swedish, but there are after all ways to fix that. Here’s a google translate for your convenience if you want: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.andie.se%2F )
I see related thoughts cropping up, but cultural and timeline differences as well as the intended audience makes it a different experience.
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25 Jun 2012 at 17:57
[…] * Tentatively, given its etymological basis in the idea of abstracted (meta) love (amour), I want to use “metamourship” to describe a positive, affectionate, loving, collaborative, etc. relationship w someone w. whom you have partners in common. This isn’t required for *all* relationships of this nature — tho it has lots of potential benefit (more on this later). Not all relationships that are structurally triadic need/ought to fit this description. […]
by JasoninNYC
28 Jun 2012 at 12:50
Excellent, thought-provoking speech MayMay!
This post made me ask a question: What is the general nature of links between nodes?
Some preliminary thoughts based on your speech:
0) A node can be: anything to which resources might allocated including: a person, an idea, an institution, etc.
1) Relationship links are bi-directional resource conduits between Nodes
2) Links are also Nodes with Sub links to higher level node.
3) Flow of resources through a link may be strengthened or inhibited by the flow of resources to/from the link’s node
4) Links may be connected to other nodes in unobvious ways ie, institutional/societal resources flowing to Person-Person link node effects resource flow rate between P-P.
5) Links have varying degrees of maintenance cost.
6) Like other chaotic systems, small micro changes can have large effects
7) Oppression occurs when other nodes interact with our networks in stealth mode (apathy) or with overwhelming resources (dominance).
Interesting theory!
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